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Old 03-14-2013, 07:24 AM   #1
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Was Peyton Manning's arm strength a problem?

By Gregg Rosenthal


The final wayward throw of Peyton Manning's first season with the Denver Broncos will live on in infamy, like Brett Favre's interception in the 2010 NFC Championship Game. It was so out of character of Manning to force a pass across his body. It was the act of a young player or a desperate player.

But that wasn't the throw that stuck out most in my mind after Denver's loss. I remembered a wobbly third-down pass to Brandon Stokley in overtime. At a huge moment in the game, Manning's arm didn't appear to have enough juice for a routine throw.

That throw, combined with an utter lack of vertical passing from Denver, created a lot of talk centered around whether Manning's arm strength was a problem in the bitter cold. Steve Wyche of NFL.com relayed from one Ravens source that safety Ed Reed played in the deep center field the entire game. The Ravens were daring Manning to go deep, but he didn't test them.

Ravens cornerback Corey Graham, who picked off Manning twice, said Manning's patience to dink and dunk gave Baltimore confidence.

"Graham said that the Ravens' defensive backs became more brazen as the game went on, since they weren't being challenged deep," Wyche wrote. "As the possessions increased in importance, it seemed as if Denver was more intent on moving the chains than taking chances."

The Broncos scored one time on their final eight offensive possessions, not including the team's two possessions where John Fox called for Manning to take a knee instead of try to drive and set up for a field goal. I believe Fox coached not to lose. His timidity was a huge factor in the defeat. But perhaps he had concerns with Manning's ability to push the ball down the field?

With the help of Game Rewind, I went back to watch all of Manning's throws. There were some other concerning moments besides the throw to Stokley. Three examples:


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Old 03-14-2013, 07:27 AM   #2
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Not bagging on you OP, but I love that he threw for almost 300 yards and 3 TDs, and despite a BS interception...still should have won that game. But yeah, let's look at his arm strength, had to be his arm strength.

The Ravens were being more brazen once they realized they could ****ing mug people and get away with it.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:35 AM   #3
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I'm not too concerned about his arm strength. But I do think the cold bothered him. He has said that one of the biggest problems with his recovery has been his grip and when it's that cold your grip is compromised all the more. Which is why he "practiced" playing with gloves in the second halfs for a few weeks leading up to the playoffs.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:40 AM   #4
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When you watch that game, there is no question that Manning wasn't right. I don't know what happened, but despite the stats Manning just wasn't himself. His ball placement wasn't very good (a few throws aside) and his balls clearly lacked the normal velocity he had shown throughout the season.

I think there is some concern here.
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When you watch that game, there is no question that Manning wasn't right. I don't know what happened, but despite the stats Manning just wasn't himself. His ball placement wasn't very good (a few throws aside) and his balls clearly lacked the normal velocity he had shown throughout the season.

I think there is some concern here.
I'll agree with this. I would say it had way more to do with feeling in his hands then arm strength though. It was way cold and he lost all feeling but still managed to put up point and yards so I don't know that it is a huge concern.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:45 AM   #6
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I'm not too concerned about his arm strength. But I do think the cold bothered him. He has said that one of the biggest problems with his recovery has been his grip and when it's that cold your grip is compromised all the more. Which is why he "practiced" playing with gloves in the second halfs for a few weeks leading up to the playoffs.
That is what I am talking about. Manning's arm strength was fine all year I am not worried about that but maybe his arm in cold weather is something different.
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I'm not too concerned about his arm strength. But I do think the cold bothered him. He has said that one of the biggest problems with his recovery has been his grip and when it's that cold your grip is compromised all the more. Which is why he "practiced" playing with gloves in the second halfs for a few weeks leading up to the playoffs.
Manning is a f-ing headcase. Not saying I'm not, be he definitely is too.
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Not bagging on you OP, but I love that he threw for almost 300 yards and 3 TDs, and despite a BS interception...still should have won that game. But yeah, let's look at his arm strength, had to be his arm strength.

The Ravens were being more brazen once they realized they could ****ing mug people and get away with it.
Well that is fine but look at his argument. Manning never threw deep. Ravens started playing up close to the LOS.

The guy might have a point. It was frigging cold and maybe that affected his arm.

Manning's arm should be even better this year but maybe worth keeping an eye on how he plays in cold weather.
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I think he's just getting old. QBs lose strength at his age as it is, and add in his surgery and it is a concern. But manning at 80% is better than most starting QBs at 100.
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Well that is fine but look at his argument. Manning never threw deep. Ravens started playing up close to the LOS.

The guy might have a point. It was frigging cold and maybe that affected his arm.

Manning's arm should be even better this year but maybe worth keeping an eye on how he plays in cold weather.
It wasn't just cold, it was bone-crunching cold. And, yes I think that had something to do with it.

That said, if it's just cold, I think Peyton is more than fine, every time.
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Well that is fine but look at his argument. Manning never threw deep. Ravens started playing up close to the LOS.

The guy might have a point. It was frigging cold and maybe that affected his arm.

Manning's arm should be even better this year but maybe worth keeping an eye on how he plays in cold weather.
Well I think the guy who wrote the article was focusing on lack or arm strength changing the way he played more so then how the cold affected how he played. Did the cold affect him. I'm sure it affected everybody to some degree. Did Manning's arm not have as much strength as what, the 2 games prior to that? I doubt he lost much strength. He got a bye week basically. And you have to imagine the adrenaline factor. Nobody's even talking about this if not for one stupid bad play, and I mean the Moore jump ball.
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Not bagging on you OP, but I love that he threw for almost 300 yards and 3 TDs, and despite a BS interception...still should have won that game. But yeah, let's look at his arm strength, had to be his arm strength.

The Ravens were being more brazen once they realized they could ****ing mug people and get away with it.
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Not bagging on you OP, but I love that he threw for almost 300 yards and 3 TDs, and despite a BS interception...still should have won that game. But yeah, let's look at his arm strength, had to be his arm strength.

The Ravens were being more brazen once they realized they could ****ing mug people and get away with it.
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I get the point for sure, but it's not why we lost that game.
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I get the point for sure, but it's not why we lost that game.
I don't think anyone is passing blame just understanding.

Of course like the article said Denver went scoreless on the last 8 possessions.
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I don't think anyone is passing blame just understanding.

Of course like the article said Denver went scoreless on the last 8 possessions.
35 points.

If you can't win a playoff game with 35 points, perhaps there's an issue somewhere other than the offense.

Edit: sorry, wishful thinking with 38 points

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38 points.

If you can't win a playoff game with 38 points, perhaps there's an issue somewhere other than the offense.
You mean like prater kicking dirt? Moore running backwards? Perhaps a coaching staff using regular season philosophy in a postseason game?
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You mean like prater kicking dirt? Moore running backwards? Perhaps a coaching staff using regular season philosophy in a postseason game?
Yeah, exactly. Yes I know we could have scored in the last 8 possessions, but blaming Manning in any way just seems dirty to me.

Oh well, 2013 here we come.
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38 points.

If you can't win a playoff game with 38 points, perhaps there's an issue somewhere other than the offense.
I agree, but of course if Denver could have managed a TD in one of their last eight possession they would have won.

There are many reasons why Denver lost that game. going 0-8 on the last 8 possessions was just one of them.
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I agree, but of course if Denver could have managed a TD in one of their last eight possession they would have won.

There are many reasons why Denver lost that game. going 0-8 on the last 8 possessions was just one of them.
There was two kneel downs and at least one kill the drive clock off the top of my head that count as "possessions".
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I think his arm strength is the same, it's the grip he has trouble with. Also, I don't think there are any football gloves on the planet that work 100% in single digit temps.
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Has there ever been a QB who ever played who didn't lose arm strength when in their mid 30's? The Broncos win that game if their secondary could have ever figured out how to defend the long ball.
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I think it is valid. I recall that after the season Peyton mentioned he was not 100% there yet in his own recovery. It was a long season and the last game was one of, if not the coldest ever in Denver. For a dude with multiple next surgeries to go for 6 months and gain the ground he did, its not surprising that he started to wear down a bit at the end.

I have an expectation - as I believe does Peyton - that he will be better in overall strength and endurance this year. Hopefully an offseason without surgery will allow some more nerve regeneration and the cold won't be as much of a factor next year.

And we need to focus on a running game to further alleviate these concerns..
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tebow would have won that game.

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