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Old 03-01-2013, 03:59 PM   #1
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Clady has been tagged with the non exclusive tag.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...franchise-tag/

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap10000001462...g-on-ol-clady/

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Old 03-01-2013, 04:04 PM   #2
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two first round picks if another team wants Clady, love it!
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:08 PM   #3
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two first round picks if another team wants Clady, love it!
I thought the non exclusive tag would come with a smaller cap hit.. Apparently not..?
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Only viable thing to do right now. I have faith that they'll get his deal done.
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I doubt any team sign him. They would probably just being the broncos work for them and we just match anyways. I wouldn't trade Clady for 2 first round picks we are too close to winning it all. No reason to jettison the good players for picks right now.
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I doubt any team sign him. They would probably just being the broncos work for them and we just match anyways. I wouldn't trade Clady for 2 first round picks we are too close to winning it all. No reason to jettison the good players for picks right now.

I'd hate to see us lose him as well, even for 2 first rounders. The nucleus from last season needs to be together this season.
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Much smarter decision. If someone wants to give up a couple of first rounders, by all means. Wont happen though
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It's way too steep of a price for a guy with a shoulder injury... it pretty much locks Clady in with the Broncos. I really like Clady, he's a great LT and a good guy too. That being said, the Broncos have tried to work with him on a contract that paid him top 3 money but he basically said no. Now the Broncos can tag him and let him do the work on finding a better deal. If the Broncos like it, they match it. If the Broncos don't like it they get two first round picks.

One reason I kind of got tired of Shanahan is that he almost never used the franchise tag, at least that I can remember (I could be wrong, if someone remembers otherwise please cite the example). I'm glad Elway is using this leverage.
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It's way too steep of a price for a guy with a shoulder injury... it pretty much locks Clady in with the Broncos. I really like Clady, he's a great LT and a good guy too. That being said, the Broncos have tried to work with him on a contract that paid him top 3 money but he basically said no. Now the Broncos can tag him and let him do the work on finding a better deal. If the Broncos like it, they match it. If the Broncos don't like it they get two first round picks.

One reason I kind of got tired of Shanahan is that he almost never used the franchise tag, at least that I can remember (I could be wrong, if someone remembers otherwise please cite the example). I'm glad Elway is using this leverage.
Using the franchise tag is not good thing, it screws with the cap space and limits a team ability to sign other players.
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Using the franchise tag is not good thing, it screws with the cap space and limits a team ability to sign other players.
How so? Why do so many teams use it?
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How so? Why do so many teams use it?
It forces a team to pay large amount in single year taking up a cap space. A long term contract let you prorate the cost over the length of the deal for that player. So many teams use it because better to keep elite player then let him walk and get nothing.
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It forces a team to pay large amount in single year taking up a cap space. A long term contract let you prorate the cost over the length of the deal for that player. So many teams use it because better to keep elite player then let him walk and get nothing.
So it's like a 1 year contract with the guaranteed money all paid up front. You'd think the players would like this too but most of them say they can't stand the franchise tag.
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It forces a team to pay large amount in single year taking up a cap space. A long term contract let you prorate the cost over the length of the deal for that player. So many teams use it because better to keep elite player then let him walk and get nothing.
Maybe a few years ago.

Payroll = cap hit now
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One reason I kind of got tired of Shanahan is that he almost never used the franchise tag, at least that I can remember (I could be wrong, if someone remembers otherwise please cite the example). I'm glad Elway is using this leverage.
Once on Elam. That's the only time I remember.
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Shanahan used it, on himself. He was coach for life!
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This was the smartest move they could make. I was hoping it would be the non-exclusive tag.

Great work JE & co!
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I could see a playoff calibur team might do it. I think low 1's a team might bite.
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Shocking news. Puts us a bit in the drivers seat when trying to sign him, Look Ryan, NO ONE thought you were worth 2 firsts, so take what we offer
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but but... I think we where told by one of our members that this wouldn't happen. That the FO had to sign our departing scrubs because there would be no money.
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but but... I think we where told by one of our members that this wouldn't happen. That the FO had to sign our departing scrubs because there would be no money.
If you had kept up with previous FA discussions you would instead have remembered that all the doom and gloom via or cap number comes AFTER we tag/sign Clady. This just locked up about half of our cap space in a single move. More will be freed in cuts, maybe some restructures, but the point still remains that this team can't spend like drunken sailors. If they keep Clady they likely have one maybe two name players at best they can afford to sign. Picking the young mid-tier types ready to break out is the more necessary method to fill at least a few holes.
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If you had kept up with previous FA discussions you would instead have remembered that all the doom and gloom via or cap number comes AFTER we tag/sign Clady. This just locked up about half of our cap space in a single move. More will be freed in cuts, maybe some restructures, but the point still remains that this team can't spend like drunken sailors. If they keep Clady they likely have one maybe two name players at best they can afford to sign. Picking the young mid-tier types ready to break out is the more necessary method to fill at least a few holes.
Just this week the cap Jumped from $120.6 Mill Up to $123Mill, that gives us $2.4 mill to play with. We can still redo or cut DJ's number and move him to Mike or the street and save another $5.3mill even if DJ still gets $13 Mil guarenteed.

Then there is the $3.8ish Mill that we could free up by letting KM go or trade. Hell I wouldn't mind seeing McGahee hit the door at the same time as KM saving us another $5mill if you count his cap number as both the Salary and the bonus.

We could have over $10 mill addressed if we cut or redid the contracts of those 3 underacheivers. We would then need to get a guy Like Steve Jackson at RB, draft another later round stud RB, draft a MLB to give competition to Stevie Johnson and Nate Irving, or even DJ. Then maybe go after Revis Hard and if he costs too much go after Woodson (then consider kicking Adams to the curb early and getting his $4mil ($2mil guaranteed and $2mill base off the books) and drafting a young guy to learn behind Woodson for a year.

So to recap,

Restructure DJ and make him play MIKE in 2013 for Vet Min

Trade or let go of McGahee and KM saving about $8.8 which we could use to go after Jackson at RB, keeping Hillman, and Ball and Hopefully the one cut positive yards of JJ who is on the PS. and draft a later round big bodied RB who has vision, can cut and finishes runs by dishing out pain.

Next with the money saved and added to the cap I would go hard after Revis and try to land him to play opposite Champ. Play Harris at Big nickle or switch with Champ or Revis depending on who we are playing for big nickle. We could even consider asking Harris to bulk up and play Safety as Carter is a very good man CB. I would draft another CB or Safety depending on if we get Revis or not.

We could also try to get Albert from kFc and play him at the right side, he would be on the team and able to step in at LT if Clady needs time to get back 100%. Maybe there is a draft pick that is just as good or better we can get cheaper than Albert who can do what we need done. either way we need to get more depth on the OL.

Then all we need to do in the draft is go BPA as they fall, looking for a MLB if one is there, WR to compete against Willis, a Lower round RB who can run between the tackles and protect the ball with the game on the line. And then Look at a DT or even C or G, depending on if they want to move Kuper over to C. If we got a good FA like Albert we could play him at RT and move Franklin inside. Beadles has proved to be an All pro pullling guard in the probowl this year.

I would love to see that happen. Sadly I fear I am dreaming because just before I wrote this I took a handfull of goofballs, nerve, and sleep meds and I am feeling no pain right now. It is getting harder and harder to type...
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Just this week the cap Jumped from $120.6 Mill Up to $123Mill, that gives us $2.4 mill to play with. We can still redo or cut DJ's number and move him to Mike or the street and save another $5.3mill even if DJ still gets $13 Mil guarenteed.

Then there is the $3.8ish Mill that we could free up by letting KM go or trade. Hell I wouldn't mind seeing McGahee hit the door at the same time as KM saving us another $5mill if you count his cap number as both the Salary and the bonus.

We could have over $10 mill addressed if we cut or redid the contracts of those 3 underacheivers. We would then need to get a guy Like Steve Jackson at RB, draft another later round stud RB, draft a MLB to give competition to Stevie Johnson and Nate Irving, or even DJ. Then maybe go after Revis Hard and if he costs too much go after Woodson (then consider kicking Adams to the curb early and getting his $4mil ($2mil guaranteed and $2mill base off the books) and drafting a young guy to learn behind Woodson for a year.

So to recap,

Restructure DJ and make him play MIKE in 2013 for Vet Min

Trade or let go of McGahee and KM saving about $8.8 which we could use to go after Jackson at RB, keeping Hillman, and Ball and Hopefully the one cut positive yards of JJ who is on the PS. and draft a later round big bodied RB who has vision, can cut and finishes runs by dishing out pain.

Next with the money saved and added to the cap I would go hard after Revis and try to land him to play opposite Champ. Play Harris at Big nickle or switch with Champ or Revis depending on who we are playing for big nickle. We could even consider asking Harris to bulk up and play Safety as Carter is a very good man CB. I would draft another CB or Safety depending on if we get Revis or not.

We could also try to get Albert from kFc and play him at the right side, he would be on the team and able to step in at LT if Clady needs time to get back 100%. Maybe there is a draft pick that is just as good or better we can get cheaper than Albert who can do what we need done. either way we need to get more depth on the OL.

Then all we need to do in the draft is go BPA as they fall, looking for a MLB if one is there, WR to compete against Willis, a Lower round RB who can run between the tackles and protect the ball with the game on the line. And then Look at a DT or even C or G, depending on if they want to move Kuper over to C. If we got a good FA like Albert we could play him at RT and move Franklin inside. Beadles has proved to be an All pro pullling guard in the probowl this year.

I would love to see that happen. Sadly I fear I am dreaming because just before I wrote this I took a handfull of goofballs, nerve, and sleep meds and I am feeling no pain right now. It is getting harder and harder to type...

Man. This is almost Mock status. Except with more details. And less cats......Good read though. Do the sleep meds involve a basement?
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Just this week the cap Jumped from $120.6 Mill Up to $123Mill, that gives us $2.4 mill to play with. We can still redo or cut DJ's number and move him to Mike or the street and save another $5.3mill even if DJ still gets $13 Mil guarenteed.

Then there is the $3.8ish Mill that we could free up by letting KM go or trade. Hell I wouldn't mind seeing McGahee hit the door at the same time as KM saving us another $5mill if you count his cap number as both the Salary and the bonus.

We could have over $10 mill addressed if we cut or redid the contracts of those 3 underacheivers. We would then need to get a guy Like Steve Jackson at RB, draft another later round stud RB, draft a MLB to give competition to Stevie Johnson and Nate Irving, or even DJ. Then maybe go after Revis Hard and if he costs too much go after Woodson (then consider kicking Adams to the curb early and getting his $4mil ($2mil guaranteed and $2mill base off the books) and drafting a young guy to learn behind Woodson for a year.
Your numbers are off on a large part of that, case in point releasing Moreno would only save $1.7M on the cap and DJ restructured so we don't really know what his cap number might be.

We do have plenty of people we can cut to free up more space, sure, but if we retain our guys that we actually want (Vickerson, Harris, Carter, Colquitt) we're going to need those cuts to have any substantial breathing room at all.

The Broncos aren't in bad shape or looking at cap hell, I'm not suggesting that. The team can definitely make some moves. But this team isn't going to have a ton of cap room either and going after the big name guys will really tie their hands at filling other holes.

We'll be in the lower end of the middle of the pack in free money to spend. The FO can go for one or two magic bullet solutions and hope to fix everything else through the draft and our in-house players getting better. Or the FO can spread that money around, targeting multiple young players and trying to hit on who's ready to break out and who isn't, addressing every problem but none with a definitive upgrade.

The best path all depends on how badly you think we need solutions at:
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If you think all of those need upgrades we won't get it done with name players. If you think that C, S, and #3WR are acceptable as-is then we can go for two name players and a first round selection to answer the other three (just an example, could be that some view MLB, S, and RB as the problem positions, not CB, or any other permutation).
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