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Old 03-01-2013, 01:41 AM   #1
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Just read about how CableVision is suing Viacom over on bundling channels that send customers bills through the roof. Here's the story:

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"The manner in which Viacom sells its programming is illegal, anti-consumer and wrong," Cablevision said. "Viacom effectively forces Cablevision's customers to pay for and receive little-watched channels in order to get the channels they actually want."

Well, well, well. Sure sounds as if the nation's fifth-largest cable company, operating primarily on the East Coast, is saying the same thing I've been saying for years: Cable and satellite subscribers should pay only for the channels they want.

Or is it?

After the lawsuit was announced this week, I spoke with Charlie Schueler, Cablevision's executive vice president of communications. I asked what a legal win for the company would mean for Cablevision subscribers.

Would it mean lower bills? Would it mean so-called a la carte programming that is, allowing subscribers to pick their own channel lineup from a menu of options?

"Without forced bundling," Schueler said, "cable providers could tailor smaller and lower-priced packages to specific audiences."

OK, but that basically means customers would still have to buy a package of channels, rather than pick the channels they want.

"We would offer more flexibility to customers," Schueler replied. "We would favor anything that offers broader choices and flexibility for customers."

But you're not saying the words. Will you offer a la carte programming?

"Choice and flexibility are the words I'll offer."

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Cable and satellite companies will pocket an average $73.44 per household for video services this year, according to market researcher SNL Kagan. That's up nearly 11% since 2010.

Chances are, your paycheck hasn't gone up 11% over the last few years.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...23,full.column


Looking forward to the day Cable Companies become obsolete, and at this current rate with Cable/Satellite bills, it will be around 200 dollars/month or more in less than 10 years. You probably don't even watch 80 percent of the available channels but your paying for them anyway. It's a joke.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:03 AM   #2
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it is a joke what we pay for internet and cable tv. Throw in cell phone bills. No wonder they say families don't go camping/fishing/boating etc as much as they used to. It's added another 2-3 thousand a yr to the family budget. Hell maybe more.
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it is a joke what we pay for internet and cable tv. Throw in cell phone bills. No wonder they say families don't go camping/fishing/boating etc as much as they used to. It's added another 2-3 thousand a yr to the family budget. Hell maybe more.
Those are luxuries. Don't have to have them.

As people have said: Netflix + Hulu + Amazon under $25.00 a month. What most people spend in one night going to get a drink and dinner.

High-speed internet service is as cheap as $19.99 too -- entertainment for under $50.00 a month.
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Old 03-01-2013, 08:28 AM   #4
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I cut the cord a year ago and haven't looked back. Regular old cheap antenna, Roku, Netflix...as per others.

Plus I have a HDHomerun that works as a TV tuner to my laptop (for over the air Broncos games). Windows Media Player DVR.

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Cable companies are so scared of a la carte programming. Is grandma going to buy, for example ESPN, which she never watches? We will see if changes happen one day. I doubt it anytime soon or ever. Even your above article proves it.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:29 AM   #6
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I don't have cable. I have Roku, netflix and Hulu. Costs me a total of $17 a month. I watch all my sporting events on the internet so keep those links coming!!!!
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I don't have cable. I have Roku, netflix and Hulu. Costs me a total of $17 a month. I watch all my sporting events on the internet so keep those links coming!!!!
The only times I've had cable in the last half-decade was when it was offered free with my internet service. As soon as they want real money for it its back to Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon on Demand (included with my Prime account), and good ol' fashioned antenna.

People don't realize what over the air broadcasting offers post-digital transition. All the major networks broadcast in uncompressed HD, far better picture quality than what cable or satellite provide. At the same time the added bandwidth has resulted in PBS featuring 4 different channels (PBS, PBS Create, PBS Kids, and PBS community calendar), along with most networks spinning off their own 24/7 weather and traffic sub-channel.

Cable companies are on their way out. We are going to see an a la carte service offered via internet streaming in the not too distant future and when we do they're toast.
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The only times I've had cable in the last half-decade was when it was offered free with my internet service. As soon as they want real money for it its back to Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon on Demand (included with my Prime account), and good ol' fashioned antenna.

People don't realize what over the air broadcasting offers post-digital transition. All the major networks broadcast in uncompressed HD, far better picture quality than what cable or satellite provide. At the same time the added bandwidth has resulted in PBS featuring 4 different channels (PBS, PBS Create, PBS Kids, and PBS community calendar), along with most networks spinning off their own 24/7 weather and traffic sub-channel.

Cable companies are on their way out. We are going to see an a la carte service offered via internet streaming in the not too distant future and when we do they're toast.
I have been doing this for 1.5 years and I'll neve rhave cable or satellite again. I figure sometime in the furture you will just be able to goto the HBO website and pay them and you can stream whatever you want right off the internet.
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Just wondering what proof it is you have that cable companies are on their way out. This not so distant future you speak of is probably what, 30-50 years from now?
I think most poor people know what over the air broadcasting is. And still not everybody can get it. These are people that don't have TVs that are newer than 2007, and can't afford a converter box. I work for a cable company. So I guess I should start looking for another job before my job disappears.


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The only times I've had cable in the last half-decade was when it was offered free with my internet service. As soon as they want real money for it its back to Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon on Demand (included with my Prime account), and good ol' fashioned antenna.

People don't realize what over the air broadcasting offers post-digital transition. All the major networks broadcast in uncompressed HD, far better picture quality than what cable or satellite provide. At the same time the added bandwidth has resulted in PBS featuring 4 different channels (PBS, PBS Create, PBS Kids, and PBS community calendar), along with most networks spinning off their own 24/7 weather and traffic sub-channel.

Cable companies are on their way out. We are going to see an a la carte service offered via internet streaming in the not too distant future and when we do they're toast.
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Just wondering what proof it is you have that cable companies are on their way out. This not so distant future you speak of is probably what, 30-50 years from now?
I think most poor people know what over the air broadcasting is. And still not everybody can get it. These are people that don't have TVs that are newer than 2007, and can't afford a converter box. I work for a cable company. So I guess I should start looking for another job before my job disappears.
Declining user base, more competition from non-traditional sources, no way to dictate terms because not enough of them own enough of the content.

Netflix's CEO has said his goal is for Netflix to become HBO before HBO becomes Netflix. He outbid them for House of Cards to that end. So if Netflix does hit a few original programming home runs how long can Time Warner keep HBO behind their walled garden while Netflix gains mind share? Amazon is now pursuing more digital content to attack Netflix as well. Hulu Plus exists specifically to try out different business models for content providers.

Eventually content providers will find the right model to sell to their customers directly and take the middleman that is cable/satellite out of the equation for all but the most rural of customers. That model is likely going to arrive within the next several years and its all downhill for cable from there. Middlemen never survive too long, the middleman cable company is about to face that reality.
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Declining user base, more competition from non-traditional sources, no way to dictate terms because not enough of them own enough of the content.

Netflix's CEO has said his goal is for Netflix to become HBO before HBO becomes Netflix. He outbid them for House of Cards to that end. So if Netflix does hit a few original programming home runs how long can Time Warner keep HBO behind their walled garden while Netflix gains mind share? Amazon is now pursuing more digital content to attack Netflix as well. Hulu Plus exists specifically to try out different business models for content providers.

Eventually content providers will find the right model to sell to their customers directly and take the middleman that is cable/satellite out of the equation for all but the most rural of customers. That model is likely going to arrive within the next several years and its all downhill for cable from there. Middlemen never survive too long, the middleman cable company is about to face that reality.
Cable companies will survive. They'll just become ISPs instead of having any role in programming. What they lost in programming revenue they'll try to make up by charging for bandwidth. Good news is it brings them into open bandwidth competition with the telecom and maybe even wireless providers on some level, so they'll no longer have as much pricing control.

I've also wondered sometimes if a major cable player like TW couldn't talk the channel providers into some sort of virtual cable service. Where they can still try their hand at packaging certain things, but give themselves an instant nationwide market. I think it could work well for the first few cable companies that tried it. But the rest of the legacy market would pitch a fit.
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Declining user base, more competition from non-traditional sources, no way to dictate terms because not enough of them own enough of the content.

Netflix's CEO has said his goal is for Netflix to become HBO before HBO becomes Netflix. He outbid them for House of Cards to that end. So if Netflix does hit a few original programming home runs how long can Time Warner keep HBO behind their walled garden while Netflix gains mind share? Amazon is now pursuing more digital content to attack Netflix as well. Hulu Plus exists specifically to try out different business models for content providers.

Eventually content providers will find the right model to sell to their customers directly and take the middleman that is cable/satellite out of the equation for all but the most rural of customers. That model is likely going to arrive within the next several years and its all downhill for cable from there. Middlemen never survive too long, the middleman cable company is about to face that reality.
The strength of any cable company these days is its high speed internet service. So if your talking about video programming you are on to something, but I think it a bit premature. The a la cart possibility is still many, many years away. If there was an a la cart service, how would new channels survive? If not packaged in a bundle, they would never make it. I'm sure something will give and a revolution will begin sometime, but so called middlemen worth billions don't just disappear. They will adapt.
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Start here.

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nice link!

This is also an option for some of you out there.

http://www.reddit.com/r/cordcutters/...to_the_cord_i/

Also, with the above link if someone in your family has comcast, directv, dish there's an app for that.
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Quit complaining and stop paying.

There are plenty of alternatives that cost much less.
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Quit complaining and stop paying.

There are plenty of alternatives that cost much less.

Everybody doesn't have enough bandwidth (speed) to watch internet tv, movies or whatever and if they did most ISP are starting to add data limits..................sos your gonna pay one or the other....period !
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I got cable for the first time in over a decade just a couple months ago. The only reason is that it lowered my internet bill, and gave me faster internet speeds. For 1 year my internet bill will be lower, and I have faster speeds. I very rarely turn on the cable box either.

I see people all the time who are behind on their water, behind on their electricity, behind on their mortgage, but current on their cell phone (with expensive data plans of course) and current on their cable. Seems like many people have their priorities completely out of whack!
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I got cable for the first time in over a decade just a couple months ago. The only reason is that it lowered my internet bill, and gave me faster internet speeds. For 1 year my internet bill will be lower, and I have faster speeds. I very rarely turn on the cable box either.

I see people all the time who are behind on their water, behind on their electricity, behind on their mortgage, but current on their cell phone (with expensive data plans of course) and current on their cable. Seems like many people have their priorities completely out of whack!
That is cause most people are silly.

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I just can't do the no ESPN thing. I keep the basic-est of basic cable pretty much just for that.

The cable/network cartel won't be broken until quality content builds up outside the cartel. As soon as the cable TV networks see serious content competition outside of cable, they'll have to start opening their own content beyond the coax as well. Then they'll slip out for a pack of smokes on the cable companies in a hurry so their content can reach the newer streaming audience.

Which reminds me, I need to check out House of Cards on Netflix, just to support the concept. Anyone watched it yet?
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I just can't do the no ESPN thing. I keep the basic-est of basic cable pretty much just for that.

The cable/network cartel won't be broken until quality content builds up outside the cartel. As soon as the cable TV networks see serious content competition outside of cable, they'll have to start opening their own content beyond the coax as well. Then they'll slip out for a pack of smokes on the cable companies in a hurry so their content can reach the newer streaming audience.

Which reminds me, I need to check out House of Cards on Netflix, just to support the concept. Anyone watched it yet?
I'm on the 6th episode. It is good, not as good as West Wing though.

West Wing shows what can be great about politics. House of Cards shows you what is bad about Politics. West Wing is streaming now as well so I have been watching both.
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I just can't do the no ESPN thing. I keep the basic-est of basic cable pretty much just for that.

The cable/network cartel won't be broken until quality content builds up outside the cartel. As soon as the cable TV networks see serious content competition outside of cable, they'll have to start opening their own content beyond the coax as well. Then they'll slip out for a pack of smokes on the cable companies in a hurry so their content can reach the newer streaming audience.

Which reminds me, I need to check out House of Cards on Netflix, just to support the concept. Anyone watched it yet?
Same here. I have a hard time not having ESPN. I can't imaging collage football without it. My wife would throw a fit about Bravo. Those 2 networks aside I could cut the cord no problem.

For those of you who have cut the cord what do you for sports programing that is only on ESPN? NBA, NCAA ect.
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Same here. I have a hard time not having ESPN. I can't imaging collage football without it. My wife would throw a fit about Bravo. Those 2 networks aside I could cut the cord no problem.

For those of you who have cut the cord what do you for sports programing that is only on ESPN? NBA, NCAA ect.
You can watch espn on the internet 24/7, same with the NFL network during football season.
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They will evolve into cloud computing companies. If you ever wanted to build your own PC, now is the time to do it, because it won't be long until people plug into their wall for computing power.
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Just read about how CableVision is suing Viacom over on bundling channels that send customers bills through the roof. Here's the story:


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...23,full.column


Looking forward to the day Cable Companies become obsolete, and at this current rate with Cable/Satellite bills, it will be around 200 dollars/month or more in less than 10 years. You probably don't even watch 80 percent of the available channels but your paying for them anyway. It's a joke.
Someday will be within 5 years. The buzzards are already circling. Streaming total content television from your phone, tablet, computer and flat panel will be the norm soon. Satellite TV will basically be CD like obsolete by 2020. It will also ensure that the remaining 1 hour of work that actually gets done in an office will be down to about 7 minutes.

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Someday will be within 5 years. The buzzards are already circling. Streaming total content television from your phone, tablet, computer and flat panel will be the norm soon. Satellite TV will basically be CD like obsolete by 2020. It will also ensure that the remaining 1 hour of work that actually gets done in an office will be down to about 7 minutes.
Who said CD's are obsolete! It took me 35 years to build my wall of CD's and records. I still even have a storage tub full of 78's.
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