It's Cultural Deviancy NOT Guns

[txtebow]

http://m.cnsnews.com/blog/walter-e-w...iancy-not-guns


There's a story told about a Paris chief of police who was called to a department store to stop a burglary in progress. Upon his arrival, he reconnoitered the situation and ordered his men to surround the entrances of the building next door. When questioned about his actions, he replied that he didn't have enough men to cover the department store's many entrances but he did have enough for the building next door. Let's see whether there are similarities between his strategy and today's gun control strategy.

Last year, Chicago had 512 homicides; Detroit had 411; Philadelphia had 331; and Baltimore had 215. Those cities are joined by other dangerous cities — such as St. Louis, Memphis, Tenn., Flint, Mich., and Camden, N.J. — and they also lead the nation in shootings, assaults, rapes and robberies. Both the populations of those cities and their crime victims are predominantly black. Each year, more than 7,000 blacks are murdered. Close to 100 percent of the time, the murderer is another black person.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation's population, they account for more than 50 percent of homicide victims. Nationally, the black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it's 22 times that of whites. Coupled with being most of the nation's homicide victims, blacks are also most of the victims of violent personal crimes, such as assault and robbery. The magnitude of this tragedy can be seen in another light. According to a Tuskegee Normal and Industrial Institute study, between 1882 and 1968, 3,446 blacks were lynched at the hands of whites.

[txtebow]

the author of this story is obviously an old, out of touch Tea-partier, Klansmen who hates gays and loves GOD.......OH WAIT.....



http://m.cnsnews.com/source/walter-e-williams

[Pony Boy]

It's the elephant in room that is absolutely off limits to discuss

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

It's the elephant in room that is absolutely off limits to discuss

And yet here we are discussing it an you're nowhere to be found. Perhaps because some factual and theoretical data, and some intellectualism, have been introduced into said discussion? I imagine for you it's kind of like the deep end of the pool for a kid who can't swim, isn't it?

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by TonyR

And yet here we are discussing it an you're nowhere to be found. Perhaps because some factual and theoretical data, and some intellectualism, have been introduced into said discussion? I imagine for you it's kind of like the deep end of the pool for a kid who can't swim, isn't it?

So are you ready to discuss that there is a problem with young blacks in urban areas with possession of firearms. Are you willing to racial profile and do random stop-and-frisk on blacks? Like I said it's the elephant in the room and a p***Y like you will cry foul.

The Native Americans at Pine Ridge reservation in South Dakota realized that alcohol consumption was devastating to their population so they took it upon themselves to ban the possession and sale of any alcohol on the reservation.
Do you think the blacks will ever take that step with firearms on their own?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

Do you think the blacks will ever take that step with firearms on their own?

Do you think gun owners will work to weed out the bad apple gun dealers and gun traders?

Besides, if urban blacks account for most with-gun violence, then white folk need not worry. Why do you?

[txtebow]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Do you think gun owners will work to weed out the bad apple gun dealers and gun traders?

Besides, if urban blacks account for most with-gun violence, then white folk need not worry. Why do you?

"Das' RACIS!!"---a problem in ANY community of American's is a problem for ALL AMERICANS --Wigs...

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

So are you ready to discuss that there is a problem with young blacks in urban areas with possession of firearms. Are you willing to racial profile and do random stop-and-frisk on blacks? Like I said it's the elephant in the room and a p***Y like you will cry foul. ?

I'll gladly discuss it. I'm not sure "racial profiling" is any sort of solution to what is a much larger and more complex problem. Like I said before, this is more of an issue of socioeconomics than one of race. The fact that so many lower income African Americans live in crowded, poverty stricken urban areas with a rampant crime, drug and gun problem certainly compounds the issue.

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

The Native Americans at Pine Ridge reservation in South Dakota realized that alcohol consumption was devastating to their population so they took it upon themselves to ban the possession and sale of any alcohol on the reservation.
Do you think the blacks will ever take that step with firearms on their own?

I don't think the comparison between the issue these Native Americans face is very comparable with the issue we're discussing here. If you have a simple solution like what they did in Pine Ridge I'm all ears.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by TonyR

I'll gladly discuss it. I'm not sure "racial profiling" is any sort of solution to what is a much larger and more complex problem. Like I said before, this is more of an issue of socioeconomics than one of race. The fact that so many lower income African Americans live in crowded, poverty stricken urban areas with a rampant crime, drug and gun problem certainly compounds the issue.

It doesn’t mater if it’s a socio-economics issue, the cold hard facts are that the gun violence is being perpetrated by the young urban blacks.

Here is a breakdown from the Washington Post, of gun violence in New York City. In short, 95.1 percent of all murder victims and 95.9 percent of all shooting victims in New York City are black or Hispanic. And 90.2 percent of those arrested for murder and 96.7 percent of those arrested for shooting someone are black and Hispanic.

In the south, the Baton Rouge Advocate published a lengthy analysis of the 2012 murder stats in the city. Last year, 83 people died by homicide in Baton Rouge. Of that number, 87% were black, and 87% were male. Two-thirds had been in trouble with the law before, and one-third had been in trouble with the law for drugs. The median age of victims: 26. Of the perpetrators, the median age was 22. Get this: 96% of them were black, and 90% were male. Almost two-thirds had previous arrests. One out of four had a drug record.
Most of the murders took place in the poorest parts of the city. What can we learn from these statistics? That murder in Baton Rouge is almost entirely about young black men from the poor part of town killing other young black men from the poor part of town. It's mostly a matter of thugs killing thugs.

[Blart]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

So are you ready to discuss that there is a problem with young blacks in urban areas with possession of firearms. Are you willing to racial profile and do random stop-and-frisk on blacks? Like I said it's the elephant in the room and a p***Y like you will cry foul.

Why did you come to the conclusion that age & race are the cause, and not say... loners, the unemployed, or those who come from highly religious communities?

All have high correlations with gun violence, I'm just wondering how you determined one to be more causal than the others.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by Pony Boy

It's the elephant in room that is absolutely off limits to discuss

No the elephant in the room off limits to discuss is Israel armed to the teeth with nukes & chemical and bio weapons.

[Meck77]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

No the elephant in the room off limits to discuss is Israel armed to the teeth with nukes & chemical and bio weapons.

It does appear that Israel is positioning the United States to smash Iran. Oh but your wives should only have shotguns to protect themselves from rapists, thugs, and murderers. Shoot in the air!

Maybe this is the job stimulus plan to put people back to work.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...92312720130304

[Requiem]

We have a culture that embraces violence. Of course it is part of the problem.

[W*GS]

One problem with Williams' thesis:

Punishment for criminal behavior is lax.

I guess that explains why so many black men are locked up, ex-cons, or on probation. We're being too easy on them.

[txtebow]

Originally Posted by W*GS

One problem with Williams' thesis:



I guess that explains why so many black men are locked up, ex-cons, or on probation. We're being too easy on them.

Drugs account for a large proportion of incarcerations...

[orinjkrush]

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

So all that root-stuff on the bottom... That's the INTERNET, right?

[BroncoInferno]

"Cultural deviancy" lol. Every generation has their sanctimonious cranks who insist that society is going to hell in a handbasket and pine for what they imagine were more pristine times.

Tell us, txtebow: how far back do we need to look to find a time when society was at an ideal moral equilibrium? The 1950s? That wonderful time when blacks were prevented from voting and treated as inferiors and women had extremely limited economic opportunities? Where do you look to find Xanadu?

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

"Cultural deviancy" lol. Every generation has their sanctimonious cranks who insist that society is going to hell in a handbasket and pine for what they imagine were more pristine times.

Tell us, txtebow: how far back do we need to look to find a time when society was at an ideal moral equilibrium? The 1950s? That wonderful time when blacks were prevented from voting and treated as inferiors and women had extremely limited economic opportunities? Where do you look to find Xanadu?

you gotta understand,for txteblow that is Xanadu.

[txtebow]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

you gotta understand,for txteblow that is Xanadu.

Hardly--I've never lived in such an America and I have no interest in living in one that doesn't treat everyone as equals---but in equal opportunity comes equal responsibility and a disproportionate number of certain sub population groups comprise a disproportionate amount of prison inmates, food stamp recipients and section 8 housing recipients(cut out SS and medicare and CAUCASIANS DO NOT COMPRISE the majority of government aide recipients--that's a FALLACY of the left--SS and medicare are all programs that EVERYONE has already paid into)---and too large of a percentage of certain sub population groups continue the cycle of poverty, illiteracy and criminality with each passing generation---just look at single parenthood rates in the AA community since the 1960's government welfare programs began....black, white or blue, single parent households are bad for AMERICA's future...

[Rohirrim]

The root of all evil?

The true portrait of humans...



Think of it this way, and nothing we do will surprise you.

[TonyR]

"Culturual deviancy"? That may be part of it, but I'd put socioeconomics much higher on the list of explanations. If such a list existed. Socioeconomics is a/the primary cause of any such "cultural deviancy".

[DenverBrit]

Putting 'guns' in the hands of 'Cultural Deviants' is a real problem.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Putting 'guns' in the hands of 'Cultural Deviants' is a real problem.

Laws already protect against this right? If you are a deviant, you shouldn't be able to own a gun, right? So basically the deviants will skirt the laws or flat out break the laws anyways. Point being, you are punishing the law abiding citizens for the criminal acts of a few. The criminals don't care, they are going to get their guns or whatever else they can get their hands on to perpetrate their crimes.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Laws already protect against this right? If you are a deviant, you shouldn't be able to own a gun, right? So basically the deviants will skirt the laws or flat out break the laws anyways. Point being, you are punishing the law abiding citizens for the criminal acts of a few. The criminals don't care, they are going to get their guns or whatever else they can get their hands on to perpetrate their crimes.

A lot of individuals should be barred from guns, but they aren't. The Gun Show loophole is the obvious loophole that needs to be closed, but the gun lobby will keep fighting it.

It's a source for criminals and anyone else who can't pass a background check.

Individuals enjoy the same loophole when they re-sell a gun.

The “Gun Show Loophole” is a gap in federal law that allows private citizens, who are not licensed firearms dealers, to sell guns without conducting background checks or keeping records. These “private sellers” often sell guns at the thousands of gun shows that take place every weekend across the country. But, private sales of guns also take place daily between individuals as people sell guns to family members, friends and strangers without any requirement that the purchaser undergo a background check.

http://gunvictimsaction.org/fact-she...rms-criminals/