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Old 02-07-2013, 08:29 AM   #1
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Fox News is something of a proxy for the GOP, isn't it?!?

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PPP has been conducting polls on how Americans view their media outlets for four years now. Fox is both the most trusted media source and the least trusted at the same time. This hasn’t changed much over the years. But its continued evolution into pure partisan propaganda, and its creation of an entire alternate reality in the last election cycle has had an impact, especially on the middle:
41% of voters trust it to 46% who do not. To put those numbers into some perspective the first time we did this poll, in 2010, 49% of voters trusted it to 37% who did not. Fox has maintained most of its credibility with Republicans, dropping just from 74/15 to 70/15 over that period of time. But it’s been losing what standing it had with Democrats (from 30/52 to 22/66) and independents (from 41/44 to 32/56).
It’s the independent number that matters – as in the election. Guess which network is the only one a majority trusts? PBS. That alleged bastion of liberal bias – which Mitt Romney wanted to defund – is now trusted more than any other media source. Congrats, Roger Ailes. You’re doing for the liberal media what Karl Rove did for the Democratic party.
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...-independents/

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Old 02-07-2013, 08:35 AM   #2
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I would have thought the election return fiasco (with award winning performances by Karl Rove, et al) would have ended any delusions the average, intelligent viewer might have about the legitimacy of that outfit, but then, that's not Fox's target audience, is it?
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I would have thought the election return fiasco (with award winning performances by Karl Rove, et al) would have ended any delusions the average, intelligent viewer might have about the legitimacy of that outfit, but then, that's not Fox's target audience, is it?
One would think. But then you see the comments and beliefs of many right here on this forum and you can see that they're still buying it hook, line, and sinker.
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The Rho and TonyR show ........jerking each other off.

PBS and the Huffington post would not approve of this X rated thread ...........
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The Rho and TonyR show ........jerking each other off.

PBS and the Huffington post would not approve of this X rated thread ...........
Speaking of ignorant troglodytes...
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Fox News is something of a proxy for the GOP, isn't it?!?
At the end of each month, cable news ratings are released to the public. And, like clockwork, Fox News dominates the top 13 or so programs, far outstripping its competitors.

January was ... a little different. To be sure, everything is relative in cable news: Fox News still had nine out of the top 10 programs. It has spent 11 consecutive years as the top-rated cable news channel. Its 6 a.m. show drew almost double the ratings of CNN's top-ranking prime time show.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...#slide=2041275
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:54 AM   #8
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^ Yes, Pony, this is well known. Right leaning viewers are partial to Fox whereas left leaning viewers are spread among several sources. Also, Fox viewership skews old (see below), another bad sign for the GOP along with losing independents as I posted in the OP. Clearly you don't understand the significance of such things, just as it seems the party you support doesn't.

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Well, viewers under 54 are doing the former anyway. I suppose I should know this but Fox’s prime-time really does skew old. A remarkable 1.6 million watched on average in primetime in January, but only 267,000 of them were between the ages of 25 and 54. That’s the lowest number of that demo since 2001. The culture has moved on, hasn’t it?
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...and-msnbc-ctd/

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^ Yes, Pony, this is well known. Right leaning viewers are partial to Fox whereas left leaning viewers are spread among several sources. Also, Fox viewership skews old (see below), another bad sign for the GOP along with losing independents as I posted in the OP. Clearly you don't understand the significance of such things, just as it seems the party you support doesn't.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...and-msnbc-ctd/

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...t-year_b164723
Lolz. The guy who can't go 5 posts without linking to Andrew Sullivan, PoliticOBGYN complains about the disappointing well-sourcedness of others.
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Lolz. The guy who can't go 5 posts without linking to Andrew Sullivan, PoliticOBGYN complains about the disappointing well-sourcedness of others.
^ The king of ad hominem chimes in! Your well formulated, fact rich rebuttal definitely added to the discussion!
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:59 AM   #11
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Regarding Dick Morris' split with Fox...

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[W]hat really did him in, I think, was when it came out in December that he was, in all probability, running a scam on the Fox News viewers whom he implored to contribute to his super PAC to defeat Barack Obama. None of the money went to that cause, instead probably finding its way back into Morris’s pocket. It’s one thing to treat Fox viewers like fools—most of the network’s personalities do that every day. But it’s quite another to treat them like marks. If you do it as blatantly as Morris did, the entire brand is threatened.
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^ The king of ad hominem chimes in! Your well formulated, fact rich rebuttal definitely added to the discussion!
For your reference, your willingness to paint Fox viewers with broad brush is textbook ad hominem. Which is what makes your prior response so delightfully ironic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Circumstantial
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:40 AM   #13
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Fox news filled a big void in the market and became #1. If their market is changing, so will Fox. They're not stupid.
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:44 AM   #14
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Cable news is dying. Literally.

The median age of a Fox News viewer is 65 (sixty five!) - and that's from a study in 2008. Fox is the oldest, but all TV viewers are turning into olds. One can assume a similar fate for AM radio listeners (in the age of streaming podcasts in one's car). There go two big conservative strongholds.


Corporations can control old media, but we're posting on a site run by some guy as a hobby, which is awesome. So long as we keep the net neutral, I'm hopeful.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:00 PM   #15
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"Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox." - Former George W. Bush speechwriter.
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"Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox." - Former George W. Bush speechwriter.
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- Former Hillary Clinton Campaign Advisor and Democratic Governor

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Faux news isn't evolving into anything. They're the same over-the-top spinsters that they've always been.
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The South Park Elementary TV News program is just as legit as FOX.
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An article that just says but Obama still better then Bush who was really bad isn't Obama bashing.
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meanwhile,Bill orielly(apostrophe/qoutation button not working) caught lying. talking to bob beckal yesterday,claimed msnbc is not talking about the drone story. funny thing is that it was msnbc that broke the story, & have been talking about it alot.
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meanwhile,Bill orielly(apostrophe/qoutation button not working) caught lying. talking to bob beckal yesterday,claimed msnbc is not talking about the drone story. funny thing is that it was msnbc that broke the story, & have been talking about it alot.
I was just reading today about why the drone issue doesn't get more attention:

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Many conservatives are ideologically committed to the proposition that the president should be almost totally unconstrained in the realm of foreign affairs. As a result, many of Obama’s most questionable behavior is ignored by the conservative press — and it is also ignored by the subset of the “establishment media” that uses partisan conflict to determine what to investigate, rather than making independent judgments about what is important to cover.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-obama/272807/

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The media are “soft” on Barack Obama on the subject of foreign policy because Republicans can’t object to the worst and most controversial foreign policy decisions of the Obama administration, and most elected Democrats won’t. If Lindsey Graham and Dianne Feinstein agree, then for the purposes of the Sunday shows there’s no “debate” to be had. When liberal senators like Ron Wyden object to administration actions, it’s just not considered as important or newsworthy as Republican objections to perceived liberal actions by the administration.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:32 PM   #22
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When I talk to conservatives I know, they always rebuke anything about Fox News by saying, "MSNBC IS JUST AS BAD!!!!"


Not quite.




Diverse voters, diverse sources.

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When I talk to conservatives I know, they always rebuke anything about Fox News by saying, "MSNBC IS JUST AS BAD!!!!"


Not quite.




Diverse voters, diverse sources.
Diversity does not necessarily guarantee credibility.

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