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Old 02-03-2013, 08:52 AM   #1
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Default Panetta Admits, Yes, Waterboarding Worked

Defense Secretary Panetta Admits Information from Waterboarding Led US to Bin Laden

“The real story was that in order to put the puzzle of intelligence together that led us to Bin Laden, there were a lot of pieces out there that were a part of that puzzle. Yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time, interrogation tactics that were used. But the fact is we put together most of that intelligence without having to resort to that.”



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Translation: torture wasn't needed & we would've got OBL regardless,do to the fact torture didn't provide the info needed to catch OBL.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:54 AM   #3
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Defense Secretary Panetta Admits Information from Waterboarding Led US to Bin Laden

“The real story was that in order to put the puzzle of intelligence together that led us to Bin Laden, there were a lot of pieces out there that were a part of that puzzle. Yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time, interrogation tactics that were used. But the fact is we put together most of that intelligence without having to resort to that.”



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I guess you missed the interview.

That clip was edited just before he said basically ...."we would have got bin laden without the waterboarding."

In other words, it wasn't necessary!!
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I guess you missed the interview.

That clip was edited just before he said basically ...."we would have got bin laden without the waterboarding."

In other words, it wasn't necessary!!
If it wasn't necessary, then why did they do it? You don't waterboad someone unless all else fails and yes it does work.
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If it wasn't necessary, then why did they do it? You don't waterboad someone unless all else fails and yes it does work.
Ask Panetta, it was his comment.
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Of course it worked. Everyone knew that the notion we got nothing from it was a lie. They had to say that to support it being something the USA would be against moving forward.

Oh we water boarded the guy who gave us the info for Bin laden but thats not when he talked lol. Yeah right. But if they say that then Obama loses a lot of the credit for getting him.
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Where's Captain Obvious when you need him, of course it works.
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Saying that the information didn't come from waterboarding has an obvious reason. Who has the most to gain from that lie? Obama. Otherwise it was Bush that got the information that led to Bin laden.

Zero dark 30 had a ton of the people who were in on this stuff leak out info. Face it sometimes waterboarding probably led to some really good information. Other times men can be hard and maybe torture didn't work. Not all men are hard men though, even in a war. Interrogators look for the ones they can break and break them they do.

No one wants to see that stuff but if you think CIA playing all friendly now you are crazy. They probably still waterboard lol.
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A question.

Is there any part of the Constitution that forbids torture?
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The Constitution doesn't apply to non americans. That is why the targetting of Americans by Obama is so controversial.

I'd say you could argue torture takes away your right to pursue happiness for sure. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness pretty much can mean almost anything.

But when you don't follow the laws of the land you lose those protections in a big way.
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The Constitution doesn't apply to non americans. That is why the targetting of Americans by Obama is so controversial.

I'd say you could argue torture takes away your right to pursue happiness for sure. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness pretty much can mean almost anything.

But when you don't follow the laws of the land you lose those protections in a big way.
It applies to all within US borders, everyone is protected by the law.
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It applies to all within US borders, everyone is protected by the law.
Well due process certainly does unless the president says you are a threat to the USA then we seem to take that away nowdays.

Why not just make the point you are trying to get at we are willing to listen.
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Well due process certainly does unless the president says you are a threat to the USA then we seem to take that away nowdays.

Why not just make the point you are trying to get at we are willing to listen.
My point? It was a question.

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My point? It was a question.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. 8th amendment.

"...waterboarding, ...is a mock execution and thus an exquisite form of torture. As such, they are prohibited by American laws and values, and I oppose them."
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Yeah, there's no precedent for that. Ask FDR.
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Yeah, there's no precedent for that. Ask FDR.
I can't, he's gone and I am assuming you're referring to the interment of Japanese citizens. A xenophobic, if not racist, response to Pearl Harbor.

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Does the Constitution forbid torture?
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I can't, he's gone and I am assuming you're referring to the interment of Japanese citizens. A xenophobic, if not racist, response to Pearl Harbor.

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Does the Constitution forbid torture?
Actually I was referring to his summary execution of German operatives operating and captured on American soil.
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I can't, he's gone and I am assuming you're referring to the interment of Japanese citizens. A xenophobic, if not racist, response to Pearl Harbor.

Back to my question:

Does the Constitution forbid torture?
it depends what your definition of the word torture is!

I love me some Bill Clinton man that dudes answer works for everything.
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I love the modern Right Wing in America. Jesus would approve of war, the Constitution says that corporations are people, torture is okay, and the 2nd amendment means you get to have your own SAM, if you can figure a way to get one. It's like their own little Wonderland.

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I love the modern Right Wing in America. Jesus would approve of war, the Constitution says that corporations are people, torture is okay, and the 2nd amendment means you get to have your own SAM, if you can figure a way to get one. It's like their own little Wonderland.

And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
Neat strawman parade you've got going there.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...rights-673567/

I notice you haven't had anything bad to say about our Federal Government's new "Trial by High Level Official" doctrine. But I'm not too worried. As soon as a Republican becomes president, I'm sure you'll start caring again.
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I love the modern Right Wing in America. Jesus would approve of war, the Constitution says that corporations are people, torture is okay, and the 2nd amendment means you get to have your own SAM, if you can figure a way to get one. It's like their own little Wonderland.

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BS no one says we should own machine guns or missiles. We say we should be able to own semi automatic sporting rifles, handguns, shotguns.

You are against torture but have no problem Obama putting Americans on a kill list?

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BS no one says we should own machine guns or missiles. We say we should be able to own semi automatic sporting rifles, handguns, shotguns.

You are against torture but have no problem Obama putting Americans on a kill list?

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You want to be a Constitutional originalist, right? Well, they were talking about everybody having a musket hanging over their mantle in case the government needed to raise an army. They weren't talking about semi automatic sporting rifles, handguns, shotguns, or anything else. It's like the Bible; People make it say whatever they want it to say. Same with torture. Cheney says its okay and the Right gets right in line behind him.
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You want to be a Constitutional originalist, right? Well, they were talking about everybody having a musket hanging over their mantle in case the government needed to raise an army. They weren't talking about semi automatic sporting rifles, handguns, shotguns, or anything else. It's like the Bible; People make it say whatever they want it to say. Same with torture. Cheney says its okay and the Right gets right in line behind him.
Should police be limited to muskets as well? If not, why not?
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You want to be a Constitutional originalist, right? Well, they were talking about everybody having a musket hanging over their mantle in case the government needed to raise an army. They weren't talking about semi automatic sporting rifles, handguns, shotguns, or anything else. It's like the Bible; People make it say whatever they want it to say. Same with torture. Cheney says its okay and the Right gets right in line behind him.
The meant whatever the sidearms and rifles of the day are. They would probably say we should have whatever guns we want but I am being reasonable and saying we are fine with semi automatic handguns and rifles.
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