Are we still racist? - Rooney Rule - The Orange Mane

ludo21 · 01-31-2013, 04:13 PM

"Obviously, it's not working the way it should."

- Tony Dungy

Working the way it should? What does this even mean... aka rooney rule = hire more black coaches?

Are we (society) still racist?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/89...ey-rule-broken

Swedish Extrovert · 01-31-2013, 04:21 PM

I remember the comment. I believe Dungy was making the point that the NFL is still kind of a good ol' boys network, and teams want experience... and because of past norms, it's hard to find a black coach with the right experience to be an NFL coach.

Dungy even said he wouldn't be a good coach anymore, but if he threw his name in, he would get some offers just because he's a "big name."

That's what it comes down to: teams want big names, and there just aren't many black "big names" yet.

ludo21 · 01-31-2013, 04:24 PM

i can see that... to a point i suppose

Drunken.Broncoholic · 01-31-2013, 04:25 PM

Of course there is. But it's still here because they want to make an issue of it.

Hiring the candidate you want based on whether you like him is not racist. Making an issue of that person not being black is though.

I wonder how racist it would be to see a "whitepeoplemeet.com" TV commercial. I just saw a "blackpeoplemeet.com" one.

maher_tyler · 01-31-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Of course there is. But it's still here because they want to make an issue of it.

Hiring the candidate you want based on whether you like him is not racist. Making an issue of that person not being black is though.

I wonder how racist it would be to see a "whitepeoplemeet.com" TV commercial. I just saw a "blackpeoplemeet.com" one.

Exactly. There's racism because people constantly bring it up. It'd be nice if we as a society could leave it all in the past and move on.

errand · 01-31-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Of course there is. But it's still here because they want to make an issue of it.

Hiring the candidate you want based on whether you like him is not racist. Making an issue of that person not being black is though.

I wonder how racist it would be to see a "whitepeoplemeet.com" TV commercial. I just saw a "blackpeoplemeet.com" one.

I saw on a can of doctor pepper that a Hispanic lady won a scholarship.... she wanted to be a judge so she can make an impact in the Hispanic community....

now imagine if a white person had won the scholarship and said the exact same thing about making an impact in the Caucasian community.... you would have white people saying that person was racist

gyldenlove · 01-31-2013, 04:30 PM

It is a glass ceiling, it exists in many different forms in different businesses. Old white guys tend to hire young white guys, often guys they are related to, that means you have an abundance of young white guys in position to get experience and when you go to hire a new old guy, you look at the current group of young guys with sufficient experience, the majority of which are white. If 50% of all first time front office and coach hires were minority candidates, it would take about 25 years before we would begin to see the results in head coaching and general manager positions.

TheReverend · 01-31-2013, 04:51 PM

The league isn't hiring enough white cornerbacks. Clearly the "David Duke" rule isn't working.

Swedish Extrovert · 01-31-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

The league isn't hiring enough white cornerbacks. Clearly the "David Duke" rule isn't working.

razorwire77 · 01-31-2013, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

The league isn't hiring enough white cornerbacks. Clearly the "David Duke" rule isn't working.

That's racist.

DENVERDUI55 · 01-31-2013, 05:08 PM

The NFL owners should just interview snoop dog to fullfill the rule.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 01-31-2013, 05:20 PM

I dont think the color of someone's skin helps a team win a ****ing football game. It's ridiculous. Are there more singletarys than Tomlins? You bet. Just like theres more manginis than harbaughs. Succeed in the football world you get hired. Saying you can't win with Vernon Davis you get fired.

Whenever these questions come up it can easily be answered with the doctor theory. Would you want a doctor who went to school based on his grades and was hired for his doc smarts, or would you go to a doctor who got accepted at a school based on his color, and was hired for that reason?

Swedish Extrovert · 01-31-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

I dont think the color of someone's skin helps a team win a ****ing football game. It's ridiculous. Are there more singletarys than Tomlins? You bet. Just like theres more manginis than harbaughs. Succeed in the football world you get hired. Saying you can't win with Vernon Davis you get fired.

Whenever these questions come up it can easily be answered with the doctor theory. Would you want a doctor who went to school based on his grades and was hired for his doc smarts, or would you go to a doctor who got accepted at a school based on his color, and was hired for that reason?

I've never met a doctor/med student that got into school or a job because of his race.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 01-31-2013, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MariusPontmercy

I've never met a doctor/med student that got into school or a job because of his race.

Affirmative action says hello. There's plenty of examples of a higher qualified getting the shaft due to another applicants skin color.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...BmAzAfsH4dZPtA

It's a long article but this is described under "race preference is bad" section.

errand · 01-31-2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MariusPontmercy

I've never met a doctor/med student that got into school or a job because of his race.

.... You need to get out more often

broncocalijohn · 02-01-2013, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

The NFL owners should just interview snoop dog to fullfill the rule.

Well, he did coach a team to the Super Bowl. Of course that was Pop Warner Football but he still has the skills.

R-Mac · 01-31-2013, 05:41 PM

The Rooney Rule is racist.

UberBroncoMan · 01-31-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rod-BR

The Rooney Rule is racist.

This.

**** like this just ups the whole entitlement mentality.

We're all human. **** this race ****. This isn't the 50's -60's anymore.

ZONA · 01-31-2013, 05:43 PM

I was married to to mixed race woman (1/2 black, 1/2 white) for 12 years so I think that clearly indicates I'm not racist but I've never liked this rule. It's ok for 75% of the NFL players to be black (what, maybe 90% of NBA players are black) and there is no rule that says you must at least try out 1 white guy for that position first. I don't think this rule works and it's stupid. NFL owners want 2 things, money and rings. If it was a black HC winning them championships, they would be be loving life. We've seen white coaches canned after 1 year. It's a what have you done for me lately league and black or white HC, if you don't win, you're not going to be a coach long.

Bigdawg26 · 01-31-2013, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

I was married to to mixed race woman (1/2 black, 1/2 white) for 12 years so I think that clearly indicates I'm not racist but I've never liked this rule. It's ok for 75% of the NFL players to be black (what, maybe 90% of NBA players are black) and there is no rule that says you must at least try out 1 white guy for that position first. I don't think this rule works and it's stupid. NFL owners want 2 things, money and rings. If it was a black HC winning them championships, they would be be loving life. We've seen white coaches canned after 1 year. It's a what have you done for me lately league and black or white HC, if you don't win, you're not going to be a coach long.

OK dude when you have to justified your response by saying you were married to a mixed race girl isn't a good justification of saying your not racist. It's like saying "I'm not racist I got a three black friends!" You make a good point of 75% of the players are black but how many owners are executives are?? Not many! John Elway was a great quarterback turned great executive but I don't see Warren Moon or Randall Cunningham getting any calls! I heard the Dungy interview and agree with him and I see your point. I think the Rooney rule is BS too. Teams already know how they are going to hire, but they have to interview a minority anyway. It's BS!

DBroncos4life · 01-31-2013, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdawg26

OK dude when you have to justified your response by saying you were married to a mixed race girl isn't a good justification of saying your not racist. It's like saying "I'm not racist I got a three black friends!" You make a good point of 75% of the players are black but how many owners are executives are?? Not many! John Elway was a great quarterback turned great executive but I don't see Warren Moon or Randall Cunningham getting any calls! I heard the Dungy interview and agree with him and I see your point. I think the Rooney rule is BS too. Teams already know how they are going to hire, but they have to interview a minority anyway. It's BS!

Is there a website that has a list of former players being offered or turning down jobs I'm not aware of?

Bigdawg26 · 01-31-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Is there a website that has a list of former players being offered or turning down jobs I'm not aware of?

I don't think so. But I do believe that Charlie Strong, Kevin Sumlin, and David Shaw will get alot of looks in the next two seasons from the college level. They have big enough names.

SonOfLe-loLang · 01-31-2013, 05:54 PM

My gut instinct tells me that this isn't racist, because the NFL generally rewards based on performance (though the same old tired names tend to be recycled, though i dont think thats a race issue.) But there are a paltry amount of minority head coaches for whatever reason. If there were great black coordinators constantly getting overlooked, that'd be one thing, but I dont think there are? Then again, I guess you can ask the question of why there aren't so many black coordinators and so on.

But of course society is still racist...thats not even a question.

Atwater His Ass · 01-31-2013, 06:28 PM

It's a business. Teams should be able to hire anyone they want and not forced to interview any potential canidates.

bowtown · 01-31-2013, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

It's a business. Teams should be able to hire anyone they want and not forced to interview any potential canidates.

No, the NFL is a business. The teams are just franchises under the umbrella. There are rules they have to follow that are agreed to by the collective.

01-31-2013, 04:13 PM	#1
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,902 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Are we still racist? - Rooney Rule "Obviously, it's not working the way it should." - Tony Dungy Working the way it should? What does this even mean... aka rooney rule = hire more black coaches? Are we (society) still racist? http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/89...ey-rule-broken

01-31-2013, 05:20 PM	#12
Drunken.Broncoholic Steppin on feet Pickled in Orange and Blue Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Carmel Ca Posts: 6,233 Adopt-a-Bronco: LeLo Lang	I dont think the color of someone's skin helps a team win a ***ing football game. It's ridiculous. Are there more singletarys than Tomlins? You bet. Just like theres more manginis than harbaughs. Succeed in the football world you get hired. Saying you can't win with Vernon Davis you get fired. Whenever these questions come up it can easily be answered with the doctor theory. Would you want a doctor who went to school based on his grades and was hired for his doc smarts, or would you go to a doctor who got accepted at a school based on his color, and was hired for that reason? Last edited by Drunken.Broncoholic; 01-31-2013 at 05:39 PM..*

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01-31-2013, 04:21 PM	#2
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 14,945 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	I remember the comment. I believe Dungy was making the point that the NFL is still kind of a good ol' boys network, and teams want experience... and because of past norms, it's hard to find a black coach with the right experience to be an NFL coach. Dungy even said he wouldn't be a good coach anymore, but if he threw his name in, he would get some offers just because he's a "big name." That's what it comes down to: teams want big names, and there just aren't many black "big names" yet.

01-31-2013, 04:24 PM	#3
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,902 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	i can see that... to a point i suppose

01-31-2013, 04:25 PM	#4
Drunken.Broncoholic Steppin on feet Pickled in Orange and Blue Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Carmel Ca Posts: 6,233 Adopt-a-Bronco: LeLo Lang	Of course there is. But it's still here because they want to make an issue of it. Hiring the candidate you want based on whether you like him is not racist. Making an issue of that person not being black is though. I wonder how racist it would be to see a "whitepeoplemeet.com" TV commercial. I just saw a "blackpeoplemeet.com" one.

01-31-2013, 04:30 PM	#7
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	It is a glass ceiling, it exists in many different forms in different businesses. Old white guys tend to hire young white guys, often guys they are related to, that means you have an abundance of young white guys in position to get experience and when you go to hire a new old guy, you look at the current group of young guys with sufficient experience, the majority of which are white. If 50% of all first time front office and coach hires were minority candidates, it would take about 25 years before we would begin to see the results in head coaching and general manager positions.

01-31-2013, 04:51 PM	#8
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 32,985 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	The league isn't hiring enough white cornerbacks. Clearly the "David Duke" rule isn't working.

01-31-2013, 05:08 PM	#11
DENVERDUI55 Drunk on Arrival! New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,154 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	The NFL owners should just interview snoop dog to fullfill the rule.

01-31-2013, 05:41 PM	#17
R-Mac Seasoned Veteran Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 253	The Rooney Rule is racist.

01-31-2013, 05:43 PM	#19
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,370 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	I was married to to mixed race woman (1/2 black, 1/2 white) for 12 years so I think that clearly indicates I'm not racist but I've never liked this rule. It's ok for 75% of the NFL players to be black (what, maybe 90% of NBA players are black) and there is no rule that says you must at least try out 1 white guy for that position first. I don't think this rule works and it's stupid. NFL owners want 2 things, money and rings. If it was a black HC winning them championships, they would be be loving life. We've seen white coaches canned after 1 year. It's a what have you done for me lately league and black or white HC, if you don't win, you're not going to be a coach long.

01-31-2013, 05:54 PM	#23
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,217 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	My gut instinct tells me that this isn't racist, because the NFL generally rewards based on performance (though the same old tired names tend to be recycled, though i dont think thats a race issue.) But there are a paltry amount of minority head coaches for whatever reason. If there were great black coordinators constantly getting overlooked, that'd be one thing, but I dont think there are? Then again, I guess you can ask the question of why there aren't so many black coordinators and so on. But of course society is still racist...thats not even a question.

01-31-2013, 06:28 PM	#24
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	It's a business. Teams should be able to hire anyone they want and not forced to interview any potential canidates.