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Old 01-28-2013, 09:23 AM   #1
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http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/...#disqus_thread

Rascal posted in the draft forum that the DP reports Nate Irving is moving back to MLB to compete for the starting job this offseason.

1. Are Brooking and Irving going to battle it out for starting MLB?
2. Is this is writing on the wall for DJ to be released?
3. If so, forget about spending a high draft pick on an LB in the draft.


(either that or I am completely misreading the entire thing.)

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Old 01-28-2013, 09:26 AM   #2
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I'm not sure how you drew any of those conclusions from that one simple article.
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I'm not sure how you drew any of those conclusions from that one simple article.
If Irving really is returning to MLB (as they report it), it changes a lot of things. Of course, they may just be speculating. The article seems to be a bit high on 'wishful thinking' and a bit low on factual content.

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There is NOTHING in that article to give your post any cred at all. If you think Elway is going into next season knowing he has a team that can win it all now, with maybe a few more upgrades, and you think he's going to count on Iriving as the starting MLB, I think you may be just as dumb as the guy who's writing that article. The guy hasn't show hardly anything in his few years here. There's no way you can look at what he's done so far and say he's the answer.
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There is NOTHING in that article to give your post any cred at all. If you think Elway is going into next season knowing he has a team that can win it all now, with maybe a few more upgrades, and you think he's going to count on Iriving as the starting MLB, I think you may be just as dumb as the guy who's writing that article. The guy hasn't show hardly anything in his few years here. There's no way you can look at what he's done so far and say he's the answer.
He's been here for two seasons and that's a pretty harsh critique.

Irving was *fantastic* on special teams this year. He was fast and tackled really really well. He's been a project for sure, but he consistently got better as the year wore on.

There were lingering injury issues in his rookie season and there have been scattered reports (listening to the local radio) that his first season was essentially a redshirt year. Coming into this season he clearly had issues adjusting to NFL game speed, but at least on special teams, that got better and better as the year went along.

I still have no idea if he'll ever see the field, but there are least reasons to be optimistic.
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He's been here for two seasons and that's a pretty harsh critique.

Irving was *fantastic* on special teams this year. He was fast and tackled really really well. He's been a project for sure, but he consistently got better as the year wore on.

There were lingering injury issues in his rookie season and there have been scattered reports (listening to the local radio) that his first season was essentially a redshirt year. Coming into this season he clearly had issues adjusting to NFL game speed, but at least on special teams, that got better and better as the year went along.

I still have no idea if he'll ever see the field, but there are least reasons to be optimistic.
Al Wilson was in the probowl his 2nd year. Ray Lewis was in the probowl is 2nd year. Patrick Willis was in the probowl his 1st year. When you have a stud MLB, IMO, it's pretty evident right away. I'm not saying give up on Irving, he's good at ST's and could eventually work himself into a MLB backup role. But I think when you have a great MLB it's very clear early on.
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Al Wilson was in the probowl his 2nd year. Ray Lewis was in the probowl is 2nd year. Patrick Willis was in the probowl his 1st year. When you have a stud MLB, IMO, it's pretty evident right away. I'm not saying give up on Irving, he's good at ST's and could eventually work himself into a MLB backup role. But I think when you have a great MLB it's very clear early on.
London Fletcher, Lawrence Timmons, Desmond Bishop...inside backers that spring to mind who didn't flash right away.
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Perhaps but...

1) it doesnt imply that they will sign brooking back, or that they are overly confident Irving will take the starting job.
2) Whats it have to do with DJ? Though i think the broncos will logically cut him anyway
3) They hardly have a ton of money wrapped up in irving. I dont see why they wouldnt draft an LB just because of him
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Perhaps but...

1) it doesnt imply that they will sign brooking back, or that they are overly confident Irving will take the starting job.
Why wouldn't you bring Brooking back? He led the Broncos to the #4 scoring Defense.

I think Irving's likely role will be similar to D.J.'s role when he came back...while hoping he can be the starter in the future.

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2) Whats it have to do with DJ? Though i think the broncos will logically cut him anyway
It's highly unlikely D.J. will remain on the team as 3rd string MLB.

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3) They hardly have a ton of money wrapped up in irving. I dont see why they wouldnt draft an LB just because of him
MLB is not the reason the Broncos lost in the playoffs. The Broncos have bigger fish to fry in early rounds...especially since they evidently believe they already have two capable players (Brooking, Irving) at the position.

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Why wouldn't you bring Brooking back? He led the Broncos to the #2 scoring Defense.

I think Irving's likely role will be similar to D.J.'s role when he came back...while hoping he can be the starter in the future.



It's highly unlikely D.J. will remain on the team as 3rd string MLB.



MLB is not the reason the Broncos lost in the playoffs. The Broncos have bigger fish to fry in early rounds...especially since they evidently believe they already have two capable players (Brooking, Irving) at the position.
This is all assuming that Brooking is retained (which I think is a long shot) and that Denver plans to keep Williams at Mike. Mike LB is definitely a need position whether Denver moves Irving to Mike, keeps Brooking, and/or retains Wiliams. For all we know Irving is viewed as depth at MLB. He hasn't done anything to show us that he's The Man there now. Brooking was a stopgap after the Mays experiment fell through.

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Why wouldn't you bring Brooking back? He led the Broncos to the #2 scoring Defense.
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MLB is not the reason the Broncos lost in the playoffs. The Broncos have bigger fish to fry in early rounds...especially since they evidently believe they already have two capable players (Brooking, Irving) at the position.
It sure didn't help. Ray Rice went for 131 yards on 30 carries. Furthermore our lack of range at middle linebacker is the reason (I believe) that the defense played with the safeties up so much of the game. They risked the deep ball against man-to-man coverage to cover up for their extreme hole in the middle of their linebacking corp.

Hell all season the interior defensive tackles played a conservative style designed to plug holes and force all of the action to the much more talented outside backers.

In short: The defense was far less dynamic than it could have been because one position on the field was far less competent than the other 10 guys. They started the year with Joe Mays for crying out loud. If that's not a cry for help, I don't know what is.

There isn't a more pressing need on this team than to fill that hole at middle linebacker. It's the most important position, by a mile, in the 4-3.
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Denver will draft a LB with one of their top three picks.
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Denver will draft a LB with one of their top three picks.
I think so too. Irving will have to compete with whomever that is. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they let DJ go and I don't believe they will resign Brooking, if they do it will be another year.
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We will know a lot more after the draft IMHO. This article is basically saying that Nate is still a young guy and that means Elway will give him an opportunity to win the starting MLB spot b/c Elway wants to infuse some more youth into the team. So basically, Elway is telling Nate "here's your chance." However, the draft will also speak to this issue. If the Broncos spend a first day pick on a ILB/MLB then Nate will know that nothing is being given to him.
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I think so too. Irving will have to compete with whomever that is. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they let DJ go and I don't believe they will resign Brooking, if they do it will be another year.
I think they would be crazy not to re-sign Brooking to another one year contract. Great vet leader, low pay and he can startif he has to.
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Couldn't agree more. Top loaded with great prospects at the position. Terry Pierce would be a steal in the second round and solidify the position for years to come.
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2nd Round: Jon Bostic, Linebacker, Florida

Middle linebacker is arguably the Broncos' weakest position. The aging Keith Brooking will be a free agent this offseason, and behind him they have Joe Mays and Steven Johnson. Mays lost his job to Brooking last season and will be coming off a knee injury as well.

Denver could address this position in free agency by reaching out to a guy like Rey Maualuga of the Cincinnati Bengals or Tim Dobbins of the Houston Texans. Both would be a big upgrade over what the Broncos have.

Jon Bostic may be a bit of a reach in the second round, but he comes out of one of the nation's best defenses at Florida. He plays the run very well and is athletic enough to force turnovers, returning one of his two interceptions for a touchdown in his senior season.

If the Broncos were to draft Bostic, some would probably call it a reach, but the same thing was said last year about Derek Wolfe, and that turned out pretty good.
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2nd Round: Jon Bostic, Linebacker, Florida

Middle linebacker is arguably the Broncos' weakest position. The aging Keith Brooking will be a free agent this offseason, and behind him they have Joe Mays and Steven Johnson. Mays lost his job to Brooking last season and will be coming off a knee injury as well.

Denver could address this position in free agency by reaching out to a guy like Rey Maualuga of the Cincinnati Bengals or Tim Dobbins of the Houston Texans. Both would be a big upgrade over what the Broncos have.

Jon Bostic may be a bit of a reach in the second round, but he comes out of one of the nation's best defenses at Florida. He plays the run very well and is athletic enough to force turnovers, returning one of his two interceptions for a touchdown in his senior season.

If the Broncos were to draft Bostic, some would probably call it a reach, but the same thing was said last year about Derek Wolfe, and that turned out pretty good.
Teo,Jackson,Minter,Olgetree,Bostic are the main guys i want at MLB.
Jackson is my favorite as i think Teo will be gone(and his hoax issues are kinda alarming)but also he's a big,mean, nasty complete LB who can thump in the middle.
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Teo,Jackson,Minter,Olgetree,Bostic are the main guys i want at MLB.
Jackson is my favorite as i think Teo will be gone(and his hoax issues are kinda alarming)but also he's a big,mean, nasty complete LB who can thump in the middle.
Jackson is not in this draft. He's the #1 rated ILB in the 2014 draft.
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2nd Round: Jon Bostic, Linebacker, Florida

Middle linebacker is arguably the Broncos' weakest position. The aging Keith Brooking will be a free agent this offseason, and behind him they have Joe Mays and Steven Johnson. Mays lost his job to Brooking last season and will be coming off a knee injury as well.

Denver could address this position in free agency by reaching out to a guy like Rey Maualuga of the Cincinnati Bengals or Tim Dobbins of the Houston Texans. Both would be a big upgrade over what the Broncos have.

Jon Bostic may be a bit of a reach in the second round, but he comes out of one of the nation's best defenses at Florida. He plays the run very well and is athletic enough to force turnovers, returning one of his two interceptions for a touchdown in his senior season.

If the Broncos were to draft Bostic, some would probably call it a reach, but the same thing was said last year about Derek Wolfe, and that turned out pretty good.
Rey Maualuga has been exposed badly. He really, really sucks.
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Rey Maualuga has been exposed badly. He really, really sucks.
He is sorta what he was in college. If you get too close, he'll hit ya, but he's not great in space. He's not what we need. We need somebody who is really smart, good in space.
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We need somebody who is really smart, good in space.
We need Spock.
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he has as much of a chance of becoming the starting MLB for the Broncos next year as I do becoming the King of France....
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he has as much of a chance of becoming the starting MLB for the Broncos next year as I do becoming the King of France....
We all said the same thing about Mays after last season. Then we re-signed him and he was the starting MLB week 1.
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