The Orange Mane -  a Denver Broncos Fan Community  

Go Back   The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community > Orange Mane Discussion > Orange Mane Central Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Room Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-22-2013, 03:48 PM   #1
24champ
Livin' the dream!
 
24champ's Avatar
 
Keep Calm and Chive on

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 19,751

Adopt-a-Bronco:
DomCasual
Default Raiders still haven't recovered from Super Bowl XXXVII

Quote:
According to Brown, coach Bill Callahan then ďblew this thing upĒ on the Friday before the Super Bowl, changing the game plan from a run-heavy attack to an intent to ďthrow the ball 60 times.Ē

ďWe all called it sabotage . . . because Callahan and [Tampa Bay coach Jon] Gruden were good friends,Ē Brown said. ďAnd Callahan had a big problem with the Raiders, you know, hated the Raiders. You know, only came because Gruden made him come. Literally walked off the field on us a couple of times during the season when he first got there, the first couple years. So really he had become someone who was part of the staff but we just didnít pay him any attention. Gruden leaves, he becomes the head coach. . . . Itís hard to say that the guy sabotaged the Super Bowl. You know, can you really say that? That can be my opinion, but I canít say for a fact that thatís what his plan was, to sabotage the Super Bowl. He hated the Raiders so much that he would sabotage the Super Bowl so his friend can win the Super Bowl. Thatís hard to say, because you canít prove it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...er-bowl-xxxvi/
24champ is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 01-22-2013, 03:57 PM   #2
DomCasual
This one's for Pat!
 
DomCasual's Avatar
 
Shameless Homer

Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: SLC, UT
Posts: 13,799

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Pat Bowlen
Default Tim Brown claims Bill Callahan sabotaged the Raiders in SB XXVII

What a truly bizarre story. Apparently, Bill Callahan hated the Raiders, and was good friends with Jon Gruden.

As crazy as this story seems, there are a few Raiders players (including Jerry Rice) who seem to agree with Brown. They claim that the entire offense changed from the game plan the coaches had installed in the weeks leading up to the game.

Jon Ritchie and Charlie Garner said that they had never experienced a game where the game plan changed so drastically, the day or two before the game. Players have even implied that the change is what made Barrett Robbins go off the reservation, the night before the game.

Anyway, whether or not it's true, it's one more legendary tale to throw into the story of the dysfunctional Raiders organization.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88...wl-xxxvii-loss

According to receiver Tim Brown, Jon Gruden's Tampa Bay Buccaneers thrashed the Raiders 48-21 in Super Bowl XXXVII because Oakland was "sabotaged" by Bill Callahan, the team's head coach at the time, who changed the game plan at the last minute.

Brown's comments to SiriusXM NFL Radio on Saturday were earlier reported by ProFootballTalk.com, which was provided audio of his remarks.

Brown said that when the Raiders got the game plan on the Monday before the Super Bowl, it was a run-heavy attack taking advantage of Oakland's size advantage on the offensive line. However, Brown said Callahan scrapped the plan on Friday to the shock of the team.

"We all called it sabotage ... because Callahan and Gruden were good friends. And Callahan had a big problem with the Raiders, you know, hated the Raiders. You know, only came because Gruden made him come. Literally walked off the field on us a couple of times during the season when he first got there, the first couple years.
DomCasual is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 04:02 PM   #3
ludo21
RIP Darrent Williams
 
ludo21's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 19,362

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Paul Ernster
Default

hahahaha

i hope its true... bill callahan is great.
ludo21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 04:30 PM   #4
DBroncos4life
Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU
 
DBroncos4life's Avatar
 
Bacon bits

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: The wrong side of right.
Posts: 28,794

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Julius "Fluff"
Default

He has been named the new play caller of the Dallas Cowboys today too. His son is on our staff as well.
DBroncos4life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 03:58 PM   #5
DomCasual
This one's for Pat!
 
DomCasual's Avatar
 
Shameless Homer

Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: SLC, UT
Posts: 13,799

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Pat Bowlen
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 24champ View Post
Get out of my head!
DomCasual is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 04:02 PM   #6
Chris
Millenium Scrooge McDuck
 
Chris's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 7,562

Adopt-a-Bronco:
OrlandoFranklin
Default

Apparently Tim Brown's vagina is still seriously twisted. Calahan - incompetent? Yes. Nefarious? No.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 04:20 PM   #7
lonestar
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: West Texas
Posts: 6,203

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Decker
Default

they are raiders aldavis guys what do you expect..
lonestar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 04:35 PM   #8
24champ
Livin' the dream!
 
24champ's Avatar
 
Keep Calm and Chive on

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 19,751

Adopt-a-Bronco:
DomCasual
Default

I bet Al Davis told Cal to scrap the run game and air it out instead.
24champ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 04:49 PM   #9
Rohirrim
Partisan
 
Rohirrim's Avatar
 
All hail Hercules!

Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater
Posts: 54,905

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Malik Jackson
Default

Romo ain't buyin'...

“I’m absolutely flabbergasted,” Romanowski told Tony Bruno and Jon Marks of 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia. “Is he trying to be relevant for the Super Bowl? What is he trying to do? He absolutely couldn’t be further from the truth. So you’re saying that a man has a chance to cement himself in history with winning a Super Bowl and he wants to hand it over to his buddy? Give me a break, OK? It couldn’t be further from the truth. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. And I’ll tell you what, I’m blown away that something like that would come out of an intelligent man’s mouth.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...laims/related/
Rohirrim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 04:54 PM   #10
Chris
Millenium Scrooge McDuck
 
Chris's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 7,562

Adopt-a-Bronco:
OrlandoFranklin
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rohirrim View Post
Romo ain't buyin'...

ďIím absolutely flabbergasted,Ē Romanowski told Tony Bruno and Jon Marks of 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia. ďIs he trying to be relevant for the Super Bowl? What is he trying to do? He absolutely couldnít be further from the truth. So youíre saying that a man has a chance to cement himself in history with winning a Super Bowl and he wants to hand it over to his buddy? Give me a break, OK? It couldnít be further from the truth. He doesnít know what heís talking about. And Iíll tell you what, Iím blown away that something like that would come out of an intelligent manís mouth.Ē
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...laims/related/
Wow I agree with Romo. And Iíll tell you what, Iím blown away that something like that would come out of a not so intelligent manís mouth.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 04:54 PM   #11
SoCalBronco
Nixonite
 
SoCalBronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Arcadia, CA
Posts: 35,934

Adopt-a-Bronco:
D.J. Williams
Default

That's a stretch but props to Bill Callahan if true.

Actually I read on PFT the stats showed they got only 19 yards on their first 11 carries and had gotten behind early that's likely a more plausible reason to abandon the run.
__________________


BRING BACK BUTCH
SoCalBronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 04:55 PM   #12
SoCalBronco
Nixonite
 
SoCalBronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Arcadia, CA
Posts: 35,934

Adopt-a-Bronco:
D.J. Williams
Default

That's a stretch but props to Bill Callahan if true.

Actually I read on PFT the stats showed they got only 19 yards on their first 11 carries and had gotten behind early that's likely a more plausible reason to abandon the run.
__________________


BRING BACK BUTCH
SoCalBronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 05:01 PM   #13
extralife
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,008
Default

Jerry Rice backs him up. I'm buying Jerry Rice over Romo.
extralife is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 05:21 PM   #14
Tombstone RJ
Ring of Famer
 
Tombstone RJ's Avatar
 
Old School

Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: In the Tetons!
Posts: 22,100

Adopt-a-Bronco:
WorrellWilliams
Default

so a run heavy game plan going up against one of the better defenses in the NFL, if not the best defense in the NFL at the time? And Callahan scraps this for a pass heavy offense instead? I can't even remember who the faiders RBs were at that time...
Tombstone RJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 06:02 PM   #15
enjolras
Ring of Famer
 
enjolras's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 7,667
Default

I only caught the end of it, but Romo seemed to back up the claim that the gameplan was changed at the last second on the radio today.

It was in response to Barret Robbins going mental tho. Not intentional sabotage.
enjolras is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 06:24 PM   #16
DENVERDUI55
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Why would they try and force a round peg into a square hole when they had the league MVP who was MVP for throwing the ball? Oakland wasn't going to win running the ball. Sour grapes to me and why bring it up 10 years later.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 10:03 PM   #17
R8R H8R
Ring of Famer
 
R8R H8R's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Exiled in So. Cal.
Posts: 2,663

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Virgil Green
Default

A few things to consider:

If Callahan hated the Raiders so much why did he accept the HC job? Why didn't he follow Gruden to TB?

Hate them now? Yes. Hated them then? Hard to believe.

No one would seriously jeopardize their career by intentionally sabatoging the team, just before the SB! Again, hard to believe.

If the players believed Callahan sabotaged the team, wouldn't Al Davis believe it too? Because if he did believe it, we know he would have immediately fired him.

Which leads me to a more plausible explanation: I heard Warren Sapp say on a NFL Channel show a couple of years ago his explaination for some of the problems the raiders have. He said it was common for the defensive coaches to have a game plan in effect and they would practice it all week, then on Friday, Al Davis would look at the game plan and force the coaches to completely change it to more his liking.

He said that happened every week. It may also explain why Fox walked out on the raiders many years ago. Al Davis was an egomaniacal meddler. If anyone was capable of sabotaging the team, it was him. That, I would believe.
R8R H8R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2013, 11:42 AM   #18
gunns
I WANT DEFENSE!
 
gunns's Avatar
 
Defense, defense, defense

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Always Hoping
Posts: 12,576

Adopt-a-Bronco:
TJ Ward
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by R8R H8R View Post
A few things to consider:

If Callahan hated the Raiders so much why did he accept the HC job? Why didn't he follow Gruden to TB?

Hate them now? Yes. Hated them then? Hard to believe.

No one would seriously jeopardize their career by intentionally sabatoging the team, just before the SB! Again, hard to believe.

If the players believed Callahan sabotaged the team, wouldn't Al Davis believe it too? Because if he did believe it, we know he would have immediately fired him.

Which leads me to a more plausible explanation: I heard Warren Sapp say on a NFL Channel show a couple of years ago his explaination for some of the problems the raiders have. He said it was common for the defensive coaches to have a game plan in effect and they would practice it all week, then on Friday, Al Davis would look at the game plan and force the coaches to completely change it to more his liking.

He said that happened every week. It may also explain why Fox walked out on the raiders many years ago. Al Davis was an egomaniacal meddler. If anyone was capable of sabotaging the team, it was him. That, I would believe.
This is exactly what I was thinking when I read that. It wasn't Callahan, it was Davis. We all knew how nuts he had become and hell, watching his draft picks at times was priceless. Jano in the 1st? Anyway, it wasn't because Callahan hated the Raiders, Tim you need to wake up to the fact EVERYBODY hates the Raiders. Except stupid people.
gunns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2013, 10:28 PM   #19
R8R H8R
Ring of Famer
 
R8R H8R's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Exiled in So. Cal.
Posts: 2,663

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Virgil Green
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gunns View Post
This is exactly what I was thinking when I read that. It wasn't Callahan, it was Davis. We all knew how nuts he had become and hell, watching his draft picks at times was priceless. Jano in the 1st? Anyway, it wasn't because Callahan hated the Raiders, Tim you need to wake up to the fact EVERYBODY hates the Raiders. Except stupid people.
It still amazes me that many former players for the evil empire still give Al Davis a pass when it comes to criticism. Well apparently, he treated & paid them well, Marcus Allen excepted. But coaches, he treated like crap.

The truth is that team steadedly went into the toilet from about the late 80's on, and what got flushed down, left the stench of Davis.
R8R H8R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2013, 11:04 PM   #20
24champ
Livin' the dream!
 
24champ's Avatar
 
Keep Calm and Chive on

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 19,751

Adopt-a-Bronco:
DomCasual
Default

Tim Brown backtracking....

Quote:
Former Raiders star Tim Brown tried to backtrack from the word "sabotage" on Wednesday in a radio interview with "The Dan Patrick Show."

Brown and Jerry Rice both said recently that they believe then-Raiders coach Bill Callahan undermined the team in the Super Bowl in 2003 because of his friendship with Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden by altering the game plan two days before Oakland's 48-21 loss.

"I have never said that he sabotaged the game," Brown said Wednesday. "All I was saying after the game was, you know, the question was asked about this situation, but no one ever said -- and I said on the radio show Saturday night -- that's something that could never be proven.

"We can't go inside the mind of Bill Callahan. ... All I'm saying is, the question was asked. But of course the media hears 'sabotage' and 'Bill Callahan' and 'throwing the football game,' now they're saying 'throwing the football game,' and that terminology was never used."
http://www.mercurynews.com/other-spo...alk-against-ex
24champ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 10:39 PM   #21
24champ
Livin' the dream!
 
24champ's Avatar
 
Keep Calm and Chive on

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 19,751

Adopt-a-Bronco:
DomCasual
Default

Of course Al Davis meddled with play calling that was supposedly to be geared towards the run game, he hated running the ball.

Just look at how he treated Marcus Allen.
24champ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2013, 12:27 AM   #22
ol#7
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 24champ View Post
Of course Al Davis meddled with play calling that was supposedly to be geared towards the run game, he hated running the ball.

Just look at how he treated Marcus Allen.
This ^^^^^^

You have an NFL MVP QB in Gannon, nearly two 1k WR's in Rice and Brown, and an owner who LOVES the deep ball and is known to meddle.

But no, I am sure Al Davis would have never meddled with a game plan that instead featured Tyrone Wheatly and Zak Crockett. GMAFB. Brown is an idiot.

Plus Tampa was great against the run, and the Faid fell behind early. They had to throw the ball no matter what. WTF is Browns problem for calling a guy out like this? Glad the Faid matched the offer sheet we made him in 95.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2013, 07:04 AM   #23
manchambo
Ring of Famer
 
manchambo's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,378
Default

How much would you have to like a guy to throw the Super Bowl for him? Callahan is going to ruin his career to help Gruden and stick it to the raiders? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
manchambo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2013, 07:06 AM   #24
bronco militia
OMG...this is horrible!
 
bronco militia's Avatar
 
THE GREATEST

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: colorado springs, co
Posts: 24,904
Default

Romo is the only one making sense?

damn it's cold in here
bronco militia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2013, 07:33 AM   #25
TheChamp24
Future HOF...CHAMP BAILEY
 
TheChamp24's Avatar
 
The Legend

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Broncos Country
Posts: 5,504
Default

I never bought into Brown's claim too much because the Raiders that year were not a running team. Their main RB was Garner, with Wheatley getting some carries. They averaged 110 yards a game, and their asset was a passing game to multiple weapons.
I mean, they had Tim Brown and Jerry freakin Rice, add in a young Jerry Porter and Garner out of the backfield, it was a tough passing game to stop. I still remember how deadly Gannon and that offense was, quick passes.

Their running game was not feared though. Out of 19 games they played that season, only 6 times did they get over 100 yards rushing as a team. And you want to go into the biggest game of the season, as run heavy? Yeah...

Basically, the Bucs were able to get pressure and take away the short passes, and Oakland couldn't do a thing on offense, which doubled when Gannon started throwing picks left and right.
TheChamp24 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:33 AM.


Denver Broncos