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Old 01-14-2013, 06:55 AM   #1
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A thread may have been done on the topic already, and the Broncos certainly had enough of their own mistakes and stupidity to let the BAL hang around to take advantage, but I and a lot of other people who aren't even Broncos fans just can't get over how lopsided the officiating was Saturday. Who the hell was that referee anyway? None of us had ever seen him! Below is a list of crucial calls/non-calls/bad calls I had a problem with. Feel free to add anything I missed or flame what I listed.

1. Ticky tack interference on Carter on a third down pass that was close to uncatchable to keep the Ratbirds second drive alive after they were pinned deep. DEN was going to get the ball back with great field position and possibly put the game away shortly after. A few plays later, Smith gets behind Bailey for a TD.

2. Ratbirds DB clearly grabs Decker's arm, ball deflects off Decker to Graham. Pick six, Ratbirds. If you're going to call #1, you damn sure better call this one.

3. Offsides call on Miller. They ended up recovering a fumble a few plays later, but he sure as hell wasn't offsides.

4. Holding to negate a third down conversion by Hester. Never, EVER seen this called on a quick hitter. Ratbirds DT was actually falling over and pulled the OL down with him, but this was when the play was basically over. Broncos were putting together a decent drive, and of course the next play on third and long, Manning gets sacked and fumbles leading to a short BAL TD drive.

5. Boldin "catch" on third and long with BAL pinned in DEN territory. I'm sorry, but that ball came out before he established possession. Combined with #6, led to huge swing in field position in early stages of OT.

6. Bailey "interference" call on third down. Really?! Along with #5, allowed the Ratbirds to pin DEN deep.

Honorable mention 1. The BAL tackles and OL did not draw a SINGLE holding call in almost 5 quarters of play against two of the league's best outside pass rushers. Seriously?! I did see Doom get blatantly raped at least twice by McKinnie. See #4.

Honorable mention 2. Tucker being allowed to come out and practice a FG. You're just screwing with me at this point, officials! Again, never, EVER seen this happen.

Kudos to the Ratbirds for taking advantage of every break, and I hope they win next week, but they got A LOT of help this weekend.
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I'm not a 'blame the refs guy' by any means, but the overall performance of the refs in that game was terrible.

My 9 year old son started saying 'Here's the star of the show again' every time that ref was on camera.

Between the bad calls and the ridiculous amount of time they took discussing everything I hope that is the last game they call.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:03 AM   #3
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A thread may have been done on the topic already, and the Broncos certainly had enough of their own mistakes and stupidity to let the BAL hang around to take advantage, but I and a lot of other people who aren't even Broncos fans just can't get over how lopsided the officiating was Saturday. Who the hell was that referee anyway? None of us had ever seen him! Below is a list of crucial calls/non-calls/bad calls I had a problem with. Feel free to add anything I missed or flame what I listed.

1. Ticky tack interference on Carter on a third down pass that was close to uncatchable to keep the Ratbirds second drive alive after they were pinned deep. DEN was going to get the ball back with great field position and possibly put the game away shortly after. A few plays later, Smith gets behind Bailey for a TD.

2. Ratbirds DB clearly grabs Decker's arm, ball deflects off Decker to Graham. Pick six, Ratbirds. If you're going to call #1, you damn sure better call this one.

3. Offsides call on Miller. They ended up recovering a fumble a few plays later, but he sure as hell wasn't offsides.

4. Holding to negate a third down conversion by Hester. Never, EVER seen this called on a quick hitter. Ratbirds DT was actually falling over and pulled the OL down with him, but this was when the play was basically over. Broncos were putting together a decent drive, and of course the next play on third and long, Manning gets sacked and fumbles leading to a short BAL TD drive.

5. Boldin "catch" on third and long with BAL pinned in DEN territory. I'm sorry, but that ball came out before he established possession. Combined with #6, led to huge swing in field position in early stages of OT.

6. Bailey "interference" call on third down. Really?! Along with #5, allowed the Ratbirds to pin DEN deep.

Honorable mention 1. The BAL tackles and OL did not draw a SINGLE holding call in almost 5 quarters of play against two of the league's best outside pass rushers. Seriously?! I did see Doom get blatantly raped at least twice by McKinnie. See #4.

Honorable mention 2. Tucker being allowed to come out and practice a FG. You're just screwing with me at this point, officials! Again, never, EVER seen this happen.

Kudos to the Ratbirds for taking advantage of every break, and I hope they win next week, but they got A LOT of help this weekend.


To me the Carter PI early was a very bad call for a playoff game. Saw plenty of non call in the other games worst that what Carter was called for
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3. Offsides call on Miller. They ended up recovering a fumble a few plays later, but he sure as hell wasn't offsides.

5. Boldin "catch" on third and long with BAL pinned in DEN territory. I'm sorry, but that ball came out before he established possession. Combined with #6, led to huge swing in field position in early stages of OT.

Honorable mention 2. Tucker being allowed to come out and practice a FG. You're just screwing with me at this point, officials! Again, never, EVER seen this happen.
Good thread, mostly agree. Just a few comments.

On 3, I think maybe Miller was in the neutral zone but would like to see the replay again.
On 5, I agree it wasn't a catch but since so close and the call on the field was a catch it was hard to overturn.
On the practice field goal, I read yesterday that in this situation refs are supposed to stop it but there is no penalty for this.

Also, someone remind me, I recall a defender leg whipping/tripping DT on a play and there was no call but I don't recall the exact situation. I just recall being annoyed, which explains how I felt for much of the game.
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Also, while agreeing that Denver by far got the net raw deal on calls, there were two standouts that went Denver's way. The first was a clear block in the back on one of Holliday's TD returns (I think it was the kick return). The second was the pass interference on Denver's TD drive to take the late lead which probably shouldn't have been called.
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Also, while agreeing that Denver by far got the net raw deal on calls, there were two standouts that went Denver's way. The first was a clear block in the back on one of Holliday's TD returns (I think it was the kick return). The second was the pass interference on Denver's TD drive to take the late lead which probably shouldn't have been called.
We were also given a verrry generous spot on that third and short that was reviewed. Obviously, there wasn't a conclusive replay, and the 1st down stood, but it looked like Hester was nowhere near the marker.

All in all, I thought the refs were horrible, both ways. Just horrible. But they're far from the main reason why we lost...
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Also, while agreeing that Denver by far got the net raw deal on calls, there were two standouts that went Denver's way. The first was a clear block in the back on one of Holliday's TD returns (I think it was the kick return). The second was the pass interference on Denver's TD drive to take the late lead which probably shouldn't have been called.
You must have been watching a different game. The block in the back you are talking about was on Hester and it was not a block in the back. Watch the replay again...he starts off blocking him in the front and as they start to fall it looks like he is pushing him in the back. It was legal.

Also, they didn't call PI on Thomas on that TD drive. They called holding before the pass and it was.
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You must have been watching a different game. The block in the back you are talking about was on Hester and it was not a block in the back. Watch the replay again...he starts off blocking him in the front and as they start to fall it looks like he is pushing him in the back. It was legal.

Also, they didn't call PI on Thomas on that TD drive. They called holding before the pass and it was.
On your first point, I won't argue because I admittedly didn't get a great look at it. Saw one replay and everyone at the party I was at reacted to what looked like a block in the back. Wish I could see it again.

On the second point, maybe we're not talking about the same thing? I just remember us getting a gift PI call and I'm pretty sure it was on that drive.
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On your first point, I won't argue because I admittedly didn't get a great look at it. Saw one replay and everyone at the party I was at reacted to what looked like a block in the back. Wish I could see it again.

On the second point, maybe we're not talking about the same thing? I just remember us getting a gift PI call and I'm pretty sure it was on that drive.
On the PI call it seemed that way because there was no PI and the Ravens players freaked out. But the ref called defensive holding prior to the pass and it clearly was. On the replay Thomas came out of his break and the guy grabbed the back of his jersey and pulled on him.
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On the second point, maybe we're not talking about the same thing? I just remember us getting a gift PI call and I'm pretty sure it was on that drive.
Yeah, DT dropped one a few plays before he scored.

That was sort of a gift defensive holding that went the Broncos way.
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Also, while agreeing that Denver by far got the net raw deal on calls, there were two standouts that went Denver's way. The first was a clear block in the back on one of Holliday's TD returns (I think it was the kick return). The second was the pass interference on Denver's TD drive to take the late lead which probably shouldn't have been called.
This. There was a handful of calls that went our way. Seems like we got a facemask where the Raven defender's hand grazed the mask. Overall it was a poorly officiated game all around that left both fan bases shaking their heads.
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This. There was a handful of calls that went our way. Seems like we got a facemask where the Raven defender's hand grazed the mask. Overall it was a poorly officiated game all around that left both fan bases shaking their heads.
Wrong. As has been pointed out, there was no block in the back on the play, it just looked that way on one of the camera angles. And there was clear defensive holding on the Thomas play. Ravens were mad because they thought PI was called, but it was the holding earlier in the play. Literally all the bad calls in this game went the Ravens way. Period.
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Also, while agreeing that Denver by far got the net raw deal on calls, there were two standouts that went Denver's way. The first was a clear block in the back on one of Holliday's TD returns (I think it was the kick return). The second was the pass interference on Denver's TD drive to take the late lead which probably shouldn't have been called.
I agree with this. Overall, the officiating was just downright horrendous. Quite possibly the worst officiated Broncos game of the season. (Even worse than the first couple of weeks with replacement officials) Too bad it happen to come in the playoffs.
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Good thread, mostly agree. Just a few comments.

On 3, I think maybe Miller was in the neutral zone but would like to see the replay again.
On 5, I agree it wasn't a catch but since so close and the call on the field was a catch it was hard to overturn.
On the practice field goal, I read yesterday that in this situation refs are supposed to stop it but there is no penalty for this.

Also, someone remind me, I recall a defender leg whipping/tripping DT on a play and there was no call but I don't recall the exact situation. I just recall being annoyed, which explains how I felt for much of the game.
We didn't get to see the replay on Miller (of course), but he appeared to time the snap about as well as you could time it.

I was going to mention the DT play, but I think he got away with a push off which may have gotten himself a little off balance to begin with. I wasn't too pissy about that play.
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We didn't get to see the replay on Miller (of course), but he appeared to time the snap about as well as you could time it.
Ah, yes, sorry. I was thinking of a different play in my reply earlier. Forgot about this play. Miller was definitely not off sides. Yet another bad call.
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We didn't get to see the replay on Miller (of course), but he appeared to time the snap about as well as you could time it.

I was going to mention the DT play, but I think he got away with a push off which may have gotten himself a little off balance to begin with. I wasn't too pissy about that play.
They did show a replay of Miller and he was not offsides. I think that one ended up not mattering though
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the refs sucked, no doubt about it. It was a horribly officiated game. Not one holding call on the ratbirds oline? Seriously?

Certainly the Broncos are the main culprits in this loss, but the bad officiating is the straw the broke the camel's back IMHO.
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They did show a replay of Miller and he was not offsides. I think that one ended up not mattering though
He started moving before the snap, but he was moving backwards. Refs saw movement and threw the flag. Would be tough to see in real time as he started moving forward right at the snap.
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He started moving before the snap, but he was moving backwards. Refs saw movement and threw the flag. Would be tough to see in real time as he started moving forward right at the snap.
Not only that but I think the Ravens moved after the snap, while Miller moved with it. So he moved before their O-line did. The refs should have been watching the ball instead of the O-line.
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All I have to say is when Dan Deirforffus starts saying WOAH that's not right on a call against Denver while playing the Bert and the sesame street gang. You know somethings wrong.
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A week ago, the smart money was on the league doing whatever they could to ensure a Manning/Brady AFC Championship Game. Now, after watching the officiating in both the AFC Divisional Games and seeing the way they were blatantly screwing Denver and NE, I'm convinced that there is one of two things going on:

1. They want Ray Ray in the SB; or
2. The refs were instructed to go out of their way and do whatever they could to NOT make it look like they were pulling for the Manning/Brady ratings bonanza.

I'm leaning towards #1. They didn't get their wish of having the easier matchup with Houston in the 2nd round, but they'll pull a few more strings next week to try to ensure that Ray gets there.
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A week ago, the smart money was on the league doing whatever they could to ensure a Manning/Brady AFC Championship Game. Now, after watching the officiating in both the AFC Divisional Games and seeing the way they were blatantly screwing Denver and NE, I'm convinced that there is one of two things going on:

1. They want Ray Ray in the SB; or
2. The refs were instructed to go out of their way and do whatever they could to NOT make it look like they were pulling for the Manning/Brady ratings bonanza.

I'm leaning towards #1. They didn't get their wish of having the easier matchup with Houston in the 2nd round, but they'll pull a few more strings next week to try to ensure that Ray gets there.
I agree...That's the reason i am predicting that Baltimore will win next week.
officiating crew tried their best to screw denver..
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A week ago, the smart money was on the league doing whatever they could to ensure a Manning/Brady AFC Championship Game. Now, after watching the officiating in both the AFC Divisional Games and seeing the way they were blatantly screwing Denver and NE, I'm convinced that there is one of two things going on:

1. They want Ray Ray in the SB; or
2. The refs were instructed to go out of their way and do whatever they could to NOT make it look like they were pulling for the Manning/Brady ratings bonanza.

I'm leaning towards #1. They didn't get their wish of having the easier matchup with Houston in the 2nd round, but they'll pull a few more strings next week to try to ensure that Ray gets there.
No way would the league choose Ray Lewis over Peyton Manning, particularly considering the possibility of a Brady/Manning rematch. There's no conspiracy here. This is just a case of bad officiating that went against us far too often.
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No way would the league choose Ray Lewis over Peyton Manning, particularly considering the possibility of a Brady/Manning rematch. There's no conspiracy here. This is just a case of bad officiating that went against us far too often.
Don't agree that there's "no way" the league would pick Ray Ray over Manning/Brady. They can have Manning/Brady next season.

I still don't think it's a conspiracy; too many factors with this particular crew point to incompetence. But I can see where the argument could be made.
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No way would the league choose Ray Lewis over Peyton Manning, particularly considering the possibility of a Brady/Manning rematch. There's no conspiracy here. This is just a case of bad officiating that went against us far too often.
The NFL wouldn't....but the Refs might. Lets us not forget the relationship the refs and the NFL have at the moment.
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