In Defense of Peyton: Screw it, I'm starting a thread

[SonOfLe-loLang]

BROKEN RECORD ALERT!

But i just feel the need.

I've never seen a fanbase turn on its best player so quickly. Obviously this doesn't go for all of you, but a lot are placing the blame on Manning and I have no clue why.

Yes, he wasn't perfect yesterday. Far from it. But, as ive said a bunch, he had a 100 rating going into that last Raven drive. He lead a beautiful drive to put us up 35-28. And, again, the Broncos win chances were 97.2 percent when Flacco let go of his hail mary or whatever you wanna call it. Again, we lost on a fluke play.

This guy transformed our team into a contender. Had that fluke play not happened, we'd all be talking about Peyton's good, but not perfect game and his gutty performance in some awful conditions (it was beyond cold in that stadium).

But, instead, a lot of you are whining and b****ing, and at least one of you would like to see Brock Osweiler as our QB next year.

Yes, he wasn't PERFECT, but if you're pointing fingers for yesterdays loss, you're gonna need to get to the second hand before you point to Peyton.

[spdirty]

I agree.

[ThirtyDegrees]

All three turnovers were his fault.

Talk all you want about how close the game was, but the only reason it was as close as it was and not a blow out by the Ravens was because Trindon Holliday put up 14 points because Manning's offense was inept.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by ThirtyDegrees

All three turnovers were his fault.

Talk all you want about how close the game was, but the only reason it was as close as it was and not a blow out by the Ravens was because Trindon Holliday put up 14 points because Manning's offense was inept.

Not the point.

AGAIN. 100 rating, 3 tds before that Flacco heave.

Also, if we're talkng about the turnovers...one was on a tipped pass when deck got mugged, and one should have never occured (though it was a **** throw), because the game should have been over.

he was not perfect, but would you really want someone else guiding the broncos next season? If the answer is yes, you're ****ing crazy.

[ThirtyDegrees]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Not the point.

AGAIN. 100 rating, 3 tds before that Flacco heave.

Also, if we're talkng about the turnovers...one was on a tipped pass when deck got mugged, and one should have never occured (though it was a **** throw), because the game should have been over.

he was not perfect, but would you really want someone else guiding the broncos next season? If the answer is yes, you're ****ing crazy.

It is the point.

I'm sick and tired of watching the Peyton defenders exert themselves trying desperately to move the goalposts as far as possible.

He was supposed to make this team a Super Bowl contender, that was the entire argument from the moment you idiots threw Tebow under the bus.

Manning was supposed to turn this team immediately into a Super Bowl threat, and he hasn't.

The reality is that he's incapable of winning a Super Bowl in his current state, he's not as good as Brady, or Rodgers, or even Russell Wilson at this point.

I doubt the Broncos can get a better QB than Manning at this point, but they need to start looking as soon as possible.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by ThirtyDegrees

It is the point.

I'm sick and tired of watching the Peyton defenders exert themselves trying desperately to move the goalposts as far as possible.

He was supposed to make this team a Super Bowl contender, that was the entire argument from the moment you idiots threw Tebow under the bus.

Manning was supposed to turn this team immediately into a Super Bowl threat, and he hasn't.

The reality is that he's incapable of winning a Super Bowl in his current state, he's not as good as Brady, or Rodgers, or even Russell Wilson at this point.

I doubt the Broncos can get a better QB than Manning at this point, but they need to start looking as soon as possible.

The Broncos should be so lucky to have 50 years with a Peyton-esque QB. He's a great player, and I look forward to watching him lead us next season.

Im still in disbelief that anyone would think otherwise. And, as ive said a gazillion times, had the broncos played a lick of D on that last drive, this conversation isn't happening and we're all happy with him.

I understand SoCal's point. People are pissed. I get why they are pissed. Doesn't mean they are being rational.

[ScottXray]

Originally Posted by ThirtyDegrees

It is the point.

I'm sick and tired of watching the Peyton defenders exert themselves trying desperately to move the goalposts as far as possible.

He was supposed to make this team a Super Bowl contender, that was the entire argument from the moment you idiots threw Tebow under the bus.

Manning was supposed to turn this team immediately into a Super Bowl threat, and he hasn't.

The reality is that he's incapable of winning a Super Bowl in his current state, he's not as good as Brady, or Rodgers, or even Russell Wilson at this point.

I doubt the Broncos can get a better QB than Manning at this point, but they need to start looking as soon as possible.

He DID make the team a SB contender. He did make it a SB threat.
The fact is no ONE player can win a a SB, it takes a team, offense, defense and Special teams.

And the TEAM lost the game Saturday, due to mistakes on every phase (but special teams returns). Blame it on Manning if you want, but there were failures on the coaching, Offensive line ( and thus QB pressures and failed run game) , defensive line ( no pressure on Flacco) and secondary that endedup costing us the game. The team was not prepared to face an opponent that would hang with us score for score ( whether or not they should have) and folded when the pressure got too high.

Manning elevated the play of almost every part of the team up until Saturday, and ( assuming he maintains his dedication and desire to play) will continue to, next year.

It was a disappointing end, to a year that had high hopes and expectations after the team got rolling, but almost nobody expected us to get to 13-3 and HFA when the preseason ended. The team overachieved almost all year, and it caught up to them in the end.

I agree that getting to, and winning a super bowl, with Manning, is the mark that this team needs to be measured against. Elway put all his eggs in that basket, and right or wrong, failure to do so will ultimately be a failure. But doing so in the first year would have been unexpected, no matter how much of a blown opportunity it ended up being.

Elway now needs to get the rest of the pieces we need to accomplish the goal. Get a Big Beasting RB that can move the chains . Fix the middle of the O-line. Get a big penetrating DT to assist the pass rush and secure the secondary by improving there ( Champ to safety, New CB, legitimate MLB).
Get a deep threat, and slot WR). Get rid of the weak part of the coaching ( McCoy...please go elsewhere).

It is Elways job to get us there by putting pieces in place. No one thought we would get there this year, BEFORE the year. The window has NOT closed.

[Bmore Manning]

Originally Posted by ThirtyDegrees

All three turnovers were his fault.

Talk all you want about how close the game was, but the only reason it was as close as it was and not a blow out by the Ravens was because Trindon Holliday put up 14 points because Manning's offense was inept.

Do you belong to a Jets forum?

[LetsGoBroncos]

Originally Posted by ThirtyDegrees

All three turnovers were his fault.

Talk all you want about how close the game was, but the only reason it was as close as it was and not a blow out by the Ravens was because Trindon Holliday put up 14 points because Manning's offense was inept.

False. First one was PI and the refs didn't call it

[Bmore Manning]

Originally Posted by LetsGoBroncos

False. First one was PI and the refs didn't call it

And the fumble should have been the tuck rule.

[maher_tyler]

Originally Posted by ThirtyDegrees

All three turnovers were his fault.

Talk all you want about how close the game was, but the only reason it was as close as it was and not a blow out by the Ravens was because Trindon Holliday put up 14 points because Manning's offense was inept.

I guess you missed the PI on the pick 6. Kinda hard to catch the ball when you're getting hit before the ball gets there. The other one wasn't even a fumble. Basing that off the Tuck Rule. Every other game I have watched has been refed completely different. I'm seeing things we were flagged for that other teams are not. It was an all around bad game but there's no doubt the refs played a role in the out come of our game!

[hades]

Wasn't there a few posts about how Manning did great in Indy with no defense to aid him, and this year he has a great defense? Well, that great defense was a no show Saturday. He did enough to get us a win IMO, special teams scores or not, we don't know if Trindon had a decent return instead of a TD, Manning coulda drove us down for a score. We'll never know, but it certainly could have happened.

I still blame it on the calls to run, run, run, punt to try and kill the clock. Let him throw a 5 yard dump on second down, maybe it softens them up for a third down run, maybe not. Our run game sucked the second half, I just knew we would not be able to run the clock out of time by running for a first down.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by maher_tyler

I guess you missed the PI on the pick 6. Kinda hard to catch the ball when you're getting hit before the ball gets there. The other one wasn't even a fumble. Basing that off the Tuck Rule. Every other game I have watched has been refed completely different. I'm seeing things we were flagged for that other teams are not. It was an all around bad game but there's no doubt the refs played a role in the out come of our game!

It was like the NFL picked the worst crew in the NFL just for us. The scabs called better games.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by ThirtyDegrees

All three turnovers were his fault.

Bull. The pick six was 100% on the officials for not calling the blatant, clear, and egregious pass interference that occured.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Bull. The pick six was 100% on the officials for not calling the blatant, clear, and egregious pass interference that occured.

OL deserves some props for the fumble as well. Piss poor protection will net you a fumble sooner or later. PM shares some blame. But this game was lost on the clipboards and in the trenches.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

OL deserves some props for the fumble as well. Piss poor protection will net you a fumble sooner or later. PM shares some blame. But this game was lost on the clipboards and in the trenches.

Protection has been very good most of the season, but you're right, they had a rough day at the office. I'm not sure if it wasn't a mistake not to go with Ramirez at guard. All things being equal, Kuper is the better player, but he's been injured and inactive all year and Ramirez had done a solid job, especially late in the year. Probably wouldn't have made a difference, but those changes do effect OL chemistry. I'm not sure what they are thinking draft-wise, but someone like Barrett Jones at the end of the 1st would be a solid pick and he can play anywhere on the line.

[Rohirrim]

Other than Trindon Holliday, it was a team-wide choke job, including the coaching staff. It seemed to me that after that bogus PI call on Carter in the first half, the steam just went out of the team. From that moment on, they were waiting for disaster, instead of fighting for glory. Manning was part of that failure as well, but not all of it, by any means. If I had to say who was number one in the blame column, I would have to say the D, and especially the secondary starring Champ Bailey. What a pathetic performance.

On the other hand, you've got to underscore how important the loss of Moreno was. That was a critical loss to the offense.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Other than Trindon Holliday, it was a team-wide choke job, including the coaching staff. It seemed to me that after that bogus PI call on Carter in the first half, the steam just went out of the team. From that moment on, they were waiting for disaster, instead of fighting for glory. Manning was part of that failure as well, but not all of it, by any means. If I had to say who was number one in the blame column, I would have to say the D, and especially the secondary starring Champ Bailey. What a pathetic performance.

On the other hand, you've got to underscore how important the loss of Moreno was. That was a critical loss to the offense.

We lacked edge on both sides of the ball. But its hard to have an edge with a game plan so conservative it made Ron Paul blush. We kept standing pat waiting for the Ravens to fold. We should've been cranking the pressure.

Both coordinators and Foxy own the lions share of the blame.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

We lacked edge on both sides of the ball. But its hard to have an edge with a game plan so conservative it made Ron Paul blush. We kept standing pat waiting for the Ravens to fold. We should've been cranking the pressure.

Both coordinators and Foxy own the lions share of the blame.

This I agree with. When it comes to football players your going to have bad games, individually and as a team, but the mistakes Fox and Co. made are the kinds of mistakes that reveal the type of coaching a team really has. For the Broncos it revealed that our coaching staff has virtually no chance of ever winning anything meaningful. The right coaches and game-planning might be able to get Manning out of his playoff funk, but Fox and McCoy make it worse by playing not to lose rather than playing to win.

[RedEyedJeti]

What a joke of a fanbase.

[Ratboy]

Originally Posted by RedEyedJeti

What a joke of a fanbase.

This has all you have been posting. I hope a mod steps up and bans you for trolling.

[Bmore Manning]

Originally Posted by RedEyedJeti

What a joke of a fanbase.

Bro, I have found some of the posters on the mane are very knowledgeable and some are very welcoming. You have your sour apples anywhere. I think as we are all disappointed and upset with the loss, that some of the forum has turned on Manning, but after a loss would you expect anything less? Especially after he had a couple of turnovers, bull**** or not.

[SoCalBronco]

He was great this year.

His play yesterday wasn't too hot.

It was a factor in the loss.

We wasted a huge chance for a 3rd ring.

People will be pissed for months and he along with others will receive some blame and anger.

Deal with it. It's not going away. Let it go. This is actually fairly mild.

[jmz313]

35 points.... No one would of thought the broncos would lose if they scored 35 points. Team effort to screw up that much. Manning played good enough to win but made a few mistakes to aid in a loss.

Any given Sunday.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Oh and as someone brought up yesterday, Elway had the same monkey on his back at the same age...under the same circumstances. Then again, Peyton has already WON a super bowl.
All this is very non sensical to me.