The Orange Mane -  a Denver Broncos Fan Community  

Go Back   The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community > Orange Mane Discussion > Orange Mane Central Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Room Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-13-2013, 08:07 AM   #1
TheReverend
Permanent Facepalm
 
TheReverend's Avatar
 
Not. Too. Shabby.

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 36,967

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Mike Shanahan
Default We Should've Seen This Coming

We all got caught up in the media hype. I don't think this is "OMG Peyton Manning sucks in the playoffs!" at all... yes, he certainly choked last night (among others), but when push comes to shove, the Denver Broncos weren't nearly as good as we though after months of buying into the Peyton Manning inspired media hype.

Broncos 21 Falcons 27

Texans 31 Broncos 25

Broncos 21 Patriots 31

Broncos 31 Bengals 23

Broncos 34 Ravens 17

Broncos 35 Ravens 38

^ those are the ONLY teams we played with winning records... 2-4 against "good" teams, and Baltimore was extremely beat up by injuries at the time of the first match-up.

For several of those other games (Atl, Houston and NE), the game wasn't NEARLY as close as the final score indicates.

Bottom line: The best team we beat was the Cincinnati ****ing Bengals.

Time to address serious deficiencies in the roster and hope our aging "studs" can squeeze another season of competitive play out of their sagging bodies.
TheReverend is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 01-13-2013, 08:12 AM   #2
TonyR
Franchise Poster
 
TonyR's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Posts: 18,837
Default

Yup. Pretty much what I've been saying in a few threads, although I forgot about the Bengals win. We were very good. Just not 13-3, #1 seed good. Still, we should have won this game. Major disaster of a choke job.
TonyR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:14 AM   #3
Eldorado
Formerly orange&blue
 
Eldorado's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,270

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Pot Roast
Default

S
RB
Interior OL
MLB
DL

In that order.
Eldorado is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:22 AM   #4
TheReverend
Permanent Facepalm
 
TheReverend's Avatar
 
Not. Too. Shabby.

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 36,967

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Mike Shanahan
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldorado View Post
S
RB
Interior OL
MLB
DL

In that order.
Haha, CLEARLY we have no issues at CB...
TheReverend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:34 AM   #5
Eldorado
Formerly orange&blue
 
Eldorado's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,270

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Pot Roast
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReverend View Post
Haha, CLEARLY we have no issues at CB...
You could talk me into CB over DL, but be realistic. The most glaring deficiency was safety play.
Eldorado is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:35 AM   #6
Beantown Bronco
Athletic Supporter
 
Beantown Bronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Mass
Posts: 20,169

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Matt Prater
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldorado View Post
You could talk me into CB over DL, but be realistic. The most glaring deficiency was safety play.
On one play. If that one stupid, stupid play doesn't happen, nobody's saying that safety is our #1 weakness.
Beantown Bronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 10:45 AM   #7
24champ
Livin' the dream!
 
24champ's Avatar
 
Keep Calm and Chive on

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 19,704

Adopt-a-Bronco:
DomCasual
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco View Post
On one play. If that one stupid, stupid play doesn't happen, nobody's saying that safety is our #1 weakness.

Much less, one game.

I am not a fan of dumping players based on one game. OM residents wanted to cut Knowshon after he fumbled early in the season. He's still a talented back, and we saw how much we missed him last night when he went out.

Our corners were bad last night, but we are forgetting that we didn't get ANY pass rush going throughout the game. We lost the game in the trenches. The OL had its worst game of the year, and I am not sure Kuper was a 100 percent for this game. Maybe he was too rusty and not back in game shape. Either way, he looked bad...getting manhandled all game by Ngata and at one point got completely destroyed on a block. I've never seen Kuper get destroyed like that, he just didn't look like himself. Kuper wasn't alone in crappy play, every one of our best players, played like dog **** and didn't show up. Everyone...couple that with conservative play calling and you lose.

I think our biggest needs are MLB, DL, OL, and also need a speedy WR to stretch the field.
24champ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:41 AM   #8
TheReverend
Permanent Facepalm
 
TheReverend's Avatar
 
Not. Too. Shabby.

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 36,967

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Mike Shanahan
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldorado View Post
You could talk me into CB over DL, but be realistic. The most glaring deficiency was safety play.
...are you kidding me?

Champ was beaten like a drum all day for 2 easy long-distance TD strikes, numerous first downs, and on the ONE TD Moore gave up (albeit easy), Carter was beaten like a drum and jogging behind underneath.

I know it's fun to blame it on Moore because that play was dumb as ****, but our underneath coverage was easily the main contributor to the loss, with monsieur Manning's play a close second and the refs in third.
TheReverend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:56 AM   #9
Cito Pelon
Attack at all times . . .
 
Cito Pelon's Avatar
 
Not2Shabby County Seat

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: AFC Championshipville, NotTooShabby County
Posts: 16,329

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Slim Shabby
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReverend View Post
...are you kidding me?

Champ was beaten like a drum all day for 2 easy long-distance TD strikes, numerous first downs, and on the ONE TD Moore gave up (albeit easy), Carter was beaten like a drum and jogging behind underneath.

I know it's fun to blame it on Moore because that play was dumb as ****, but our underneath coverage was easily the main contributor to the loss, with monsieur Manning's play a close second and the refs in third.
I'm wondering why Champ was playing slot so much, and Carter at LCB.
Cito Pelon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:41 AM   #10
eddie mac
Ireland's No1 Bronco
 
eddie mac's Avatar
 
Eddie Mac 87 gone but never forgott

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: IRELAND
Posts: 16,704

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Rod Smith
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReverend View Post
Haha, CLEARLY we have no issues at CB...
They were outstanding all season and in the previous matchup held Smith/Boldin to about 40 yards combined.
eddie mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:32 AM   #11
CEH
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,956
Default

This team was good enough this year to make it to the Super Bowl

I firmly believe this but you have to have 53 players moving in the right direction
When someone wants to be the hero and gives up a 70 yard TD with 40 seconds left I'm not sure any type of player upgrade can solve that problem unless you assume the only way to win in the playoffs is to blow teams out and then you need more players but that is not really reality

I'd say it was more about Denver really didn't have any close games this year to prepare the team mentally for what was about to happen in the playoffs then to say the team was not Super Bowl worthy
CEH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:35 AM   #12
fwf
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

We're not as well coached as we thought we were. I'll give you that.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:50 AM   #13
broncobum6162
Manning Up!
 
broncobum6162's Avatar
 
Baaammmmmmmm!!

Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Beautiful Baugher Lake....
Posts: 1,409

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Von Miller
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fwf View Post
We're not as well coached as we thought we were. I'll give you that.
Instead of Martyball its "JOHNnyball"
broncobum6162 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:44 AM   #14
TheReverend
Permanent Facepalm
 
TheReverend's Avatar
 
Not. Too. Shabby.

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 36,967

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Mike Shanahan
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CEH View Post
This team was good enough this year to make it to the Super Bowl

I firmly believe this but you have to have 53 players moving in the right direction
When someone wants to be the hero and gives up a 70 yard TD with 40 seconds left I'm not sure any type of player upgrade can solve that problem unless you assume the only way to win in the playoffs is to blow teams out and then you need more players but that is not really reality

I'd say it was more about Denver really didn't have any close games this year to prepare the team mentally for what was about to happen in the playoffs then to say the team was not Super Bowl worthy
Just stop. A LOT more went into losing that game than that play.
TheReverend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:57 AM   #15
CEH
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,956
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReverend View Post
Just stop. A LOT more went into losing that game than that play.
So 70 yard Hail Marys when the player himself admits to trying to be a hero instead of doing his job is just another play in the game

Not buying it. Your premise is Denver is not physically able to compete in the AFC

Sorry you can't convince me to ignore the ultimate mental blunder in Denver Broncos history as "we should have seen this coming"

Last edited by CEH; 01-13-2013 at 08:59 AM..
CEH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 09:00 AM   #16
TheReverend
Permanent Facepalm
 
TheReverend's Avatar
 
Not. Too. Shabby.

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 36,967

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Mike Shanahan
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CEH View Post
So 70 yard Hail Marys when the player himself admits to trying to be a hero instead of doing his job is just another play in the game
3 turnovers by the QB, 2 TDs surrendered by a different DB, zero passrush from our "all world" rushers were all even larger problems, so yeah.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CEH View Post
Not buying it. Your premise is Denver is not physically able to compete in the AFC
No, my premise is that Denver DIDN'T compete against the upper tier of the NFL. And my premise is supported by actual facts.

2-4 against winning record teams.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CEH View Post
Sorry you can't convince me to ignore the ultimate mental blunder in Denver Broncos history
Who's saying "ignore it"? It was colossally stupid and one of the worst safety plays I've ever seen.

YOU, on the other hand, are pinning the entire loss on it in several threads now and acting like an idiot.
TheReverend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 09:47 AM   #17
DENVERDUI55
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Without looking I bet Baltimore didn't beat that many good teams either. We have a few holes just like every team and very easily could of won with D game yesterday.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:15 AM   #18
B-Large
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

I figured we would win against the Ravens, but would get destroyed against the Pats....

Maybe a powder puff Division and weak schedules are not so great after all
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:30 AM   #19
Beantown Bronco
Athletic Supporter
 
Beantown Bronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Mass
Posts: 20,169

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Matt Prater
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Large View Post
Maybe a powder puff Division and weak schedules are not so great after all
It's worked out pretty well for the Pats for the last 10+ years.
Beantown Bronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:39 AM   #20
HorseHead
Ring of Famer
 
HorseHead's Avatar
 
Stay thirsty my friends..

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Vermont
Posts: 1,403

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Bay Bay
Default

A couple of things:

A) Ravens are pretty good, far from a s-itty team..

B) Be honest, did you really think we would finish 13-3? Give it a month or so, relax. I actually think we'll even be better next year, possibly with a worse record. 12-4, 11-5. And make noise in the play offs, on the road.

c) Toughest part of this loss? You wake up the following morning, and you have to listen to a nation questioning the size of your team's b-lls...
HorseHead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:21 AM   #21
winstoncup bronco
Crew Chief
 
winstoncup bronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NEW YORK CITY, USA
Posts: 5,321
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReverend View Post
We all got caught up in the media hype. I don't think this is "OMG Peyton Manning sucks in the playoffs!" at all... yes, he certainly choked last night (among others), but when push comes to shove, the Denver Broncos weren't nearly as good as we though after months of buying into the Peyton Manning inspired media hype.

Broncos 21 Falcons 27

Texans 31 Broncos 25

Broncos 21 Patriots 31

Broncos 31 Bengals 23

Broncos 34 Ravens 17

Broncos 35 Ravens 38

^ those are the ONLY teams we played with winning records... 2-4 against "good" teams, and Baltimore was extremely beat up by injuries at the time of the first match-up.

For several of those other games (Atl, Houston and NE), the game wasn't NEARLY as close as the final score indicates.

Bottom line: The best team we beat was the Cincinnati ****ing Bengals.

Time to address serious deficiencies in the roster and hope our aging "studs" can squeeze another season of competitive play out of their sagging bodies.
I agree with this.

Thing is though, if you had posted this a week ago, you would've gotten a ton of **** for it. You wouldn't be a real fan if you brought this up.
winstoncup bronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:23 AM   #22
TheReverend
Permanent Facepalm
 
TheReverend's Avatar
 
Not. Too. Shabby.

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 36,967

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Mike Shanahan
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by winstoncup bronco View Post
I agree with this.

Thing is though, if you had posted this a week ago, you would've gotten a ton of **** for it. You wouldn't be a real fan if you brought this up.
I talked about it on the podcast about a month ago and got **** for it. Then I bought into it myself.

C'est la vie.
TheReverend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:28 AM   #23
winstoncup bronco
Crew Chief
 
winstoncup bronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NEW YORK CITY, USA
Posts: 5,321
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReverend View Post
I talked about it on the podcast about a month ago and got **** for it. Then I bought into it myself.

C'est la vie.
Really, that's how it was for alot of people, myself included. I knew we hadn't really beaten anyone elite, but I kinda figured it was okay, that the team was finetuning itself for a big run. You can only play what the schedule brings, right?

I said it another thread that this loss is worse than '96 because that team didn't have nearly the questions going into the offseason that this one does. We had a chance to steal one this year and blew it.
winstoncup bronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:30 AM   #24
TonyR
Franchise Poster
 
TonyR's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Posts: 18,837
Default

Quote:
...Before the season, when I suggested that the Broncos would fail to live up to expectations this season, the deciding factor between the numbers (which predicted regression) and the impact of Peyton Manning (which suggested number-defying improvement) was the schedule the Broncos were likely to face. Denver's out-of-division schedule included the Patriots and Texans, as well as the AFC North and the NFC South, which looked to be two of the best divisions in football. More disconcertingly, the bulk of those tough matchups was focused during the first half of the season.

As it turned out, Denver's schedule wasn't very difficult at all.1 It's true that the truly difficult matchups for the Broncos took place during the first half, with Denver starting 2-3 via losses against teams that each won 12 or more games, including losses to both the Patriots and Texans. The AFC North and the NFC South? They didn't turn out to be so tough. Pittsburgh, Carolina, and New Orleans ended up serving as three of the league's most disappointing teams, Cleveland was about as bad as expected, and Baltimore and Tampa Bay were little match for the Denver onslaught. The AFC West was also worse than most people's wildest expectations.

The result was a schedule that was actually well below average. Projected to have the league's most difficult schedule before the season by Football Outsiders, the Broncos instead had the NFL's second-easiest schedule in 2012. And as you might expect, with those 12-win teams out of the way after the first few weeks, the schedule really got easy in the second half.

How easy? Well, consider this: The eight matchups Denver played in the second half were against teams who went a combined 44-84 this year. That's like the Broncos getting to play a bunch of 5-11 and 6-10 teams for an entire half-season. Since 1990, that's tied with another team for the easiest second-half slate enjoyed by a playoff participant across the entire era. Even if we adjust for the Broncos going 8-0 and take those losses off of those teams' records, Denver's strength of schedule in the second half was tied for the second-lowest in 23 years.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...-playoff-games

^An article I posted a few days ago, which most probably didn't read...
TonyR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2013, 08:35 AM   #25
CEH
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,956
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyR View Post
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...-playoff-games

^An article I posted a few days ago, which most probably didn't read...
Still waiting for the articles that says Denver is vunerable to the 70 yard hail mary passes at the end of the game
CEH is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:17 AM.


Denver Broncos