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Old 01-08-2013, 12:12 PM   #1
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Carryover rules impact cap strategy

The Miami Dolphins have $35.8 million, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers $31.3 million, the Jacksonville Jaguars $22.1 million, the Buffalo Bills $20.6 million and the Tennessee Titans $19.4 million.

On the negative side, the New York Jets are $19.4 million over the cap. The Dallas Cowboys are $18.2 million over, the New Orleans Saints $14.7 million over and the Carolina Panthers $11.8 million over.


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Old 01-08-2013, 12:13 PM   #2
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Great news for Broncos, they need to stay away from expensive FA, draft wisely and start trying to re-sign their own players.

I imagine DJ, Mayes and Porter will be gone creating more cap space.
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Great news for Broncos, they need to stay away from expensive FA, draft wisely and start trying to re-sign their own players.

I imagine DJ, Mayes and Porter will be gone creating more cap space.
Porter is a UFA, he's not being counted as it is.
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Iirc we only have some 35 players under contract for next year.

A lot of that money will be required to finish out the team. As well as again IIRC about 7 million will be needed on rookie contracts both for the coming year as well as the prorated portion of any signing bonuses.

So that whooping 18 mil will,soon be gone.
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Iirc we only have some 35 players under contract for next year.

A lot of that money will be required to finish out the team. As well as again IIRC about 7 million will be needed on rookie contracts both for the coming year as well as the prorated portion of any signing bonuses.

So that whooping 18 mil will,soon be gone.
Why are you so consistently negative regarding the Broncos. Enjoy the ride dude.
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Why are you so consistently negative regarding the Broncos. Enjoy the ride dude.
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Why are you so consistently negative regarding the Broncos. Enjoy the ride dude.
Unlike some I'm facing facts. I have a business background, that required budgets and P&L statements.

Not negative at all just facing the hard truth. This is not fantasy football where ther is not salary cap.

It is the nfl and Pat since mikey blew hundreds of millions of turds and one year rental the last decade, now has a budget for John. we carry over from last year 11.5 mil which I'd guess was the limit of his budget, or it would have been spent.

As far as the ride is concerned I'm enjoying Manning and his success, just not acting like an irresponsible 5 year old telling mommy I want I want everything I see in the FA store.

Frankly I do not see loads of money to spend there.
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Iirc we only have some 35 players under contract for next year.

A lot of that money will be required to finish out the team. As well as again IIRC about 7 million will be needed on rookie contracts both for the coming year as well as the prorated portion of any signing bonuses.

So that whooping 18 mil will,soon be gone.
That 18 million will also go up. Expect restructured deals and releases of at least a few guys. And with Elway's way of building the team, I'd wager we get through free agency, the draft and re-sign a few of our guys and have at least 5 million in cap space
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That 18 million will also go up. Expect restructured deals and releases of at least a few guys. And with Elway's way of building the team, I'd wager we get through free agency, the draft and re-sign a few of our guys and have at least 5 million in cap space
Yes probably will but we may be eating some dead money space also. If they cut DJ IIRC he would cost us about 1.7 mil. If they keep him it is 7.7.

So a bit here and there adds up.

Also remember Clady is not one of those 35 I stated in the post. If anything if they resigne him that will pretty much blow the cushion when coupled with rookie salaries.

All I'm saying is the 18 mil plus a few here and there is not all that much considering we have a roster to,fill and currently that stands at 18 more folks at minimum not counting all those on IR next year.

I'm just being realistic, hell I'd love all those guys also but where is the moey going to come from.
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Iirc we only have some 35 players under contract for next year.

A lot of that money will be required to finish out the team. As well as again IIRC about 7 million will be needed on rookie contracts both for the coming year as well as the prorated portion of any signing bonuses.

So that whooping 18 mil will,soon be gone.
No. That's prorated and doesn't count against it as one lump sum. There are some free agents, but none are terribly expensive. Hopefully we can use some money to upgrade. With the team the way it is, a lot of older free agents looking for a ring are going to be willing to come here on the cheap.
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No. That's prorated and doesn't count against it as one lump sum. There are some free agents, but none are terribly expensive. Hopefully we can use some money to upgrade. With the team the way it is, a lot of older free agents looking for a ring are going to be willing to come here on the cheap.

I used that number as it was used in another thread while I did not put a pen to just the rookies I did go look at each players total cap number and added costs such as bonus and incentives just from what I recall it would have been pretty close to that.
Go back and add up the cost of the just last years rookies I bet it is damned close.
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Iirc we only have some 35 players under contract for next year.

A lot of that money will be required to finish out the team. As well as again IIRC about 7 million will be needed on rookie contracts both for the coming year as well as the prorated portion of any signing bonuses.

So that whooping 18 mil will,soon be gone.
They'll definitely need a chunk of it to re-sign Clady.
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Iirc we only have some 35 players under contract for next year.

A lot of that money will be required to finish out the team. As well as again IIRC about 7 million will be needed on rookie contracts both for the coming year as well as the prorated portion of any signing bonuses.

So that whooping 18 mil will,soon be gone.
48 players currently under contract including some futures deals announced in the last 1-2 weeks

Here's the full cap count roster for 2013 as it stands right now

QB
Peyton Manning $20,000,000* - Not guaranteed until he passes March physical
Brock Osweiler $729,396
Caleb Hanie $1,250,000

RB
Willis McGahee $3,000,000* - SB proration remaining $1m, cut saves $2m
Knowshon Moreno $3,475,750 - SB proration $832k, cut saves $2.6m

Ronnie Hillman $652,708
Jacob Hester $715,000
Mario Fannan $483,333

FB

WR
Demaryius Thomas $2,430,250* - possibly due incentive pay
Eric Decker $758,037* - same as Thomas
Andre Caldwell $1,000,000
Trindon Holiday KR $480,000
Eric Page $480,361
Gerell Robinson $405,000

TE
Joel Dreessen $3,333,333 - $1.667m left in SB proration
Jacob Tamme $3,333,333 - $1.667m left in SB proration

Julius Thomas $651,000
Virgil Green $559,320

OL
Chris Kuper OG $5,915,166 - $950k left in SB proration, cut/trade saves $5m
Orlando Franklin OT $1,191,000
Zane Beadles OG $1,005,000
Manuel Ramirez OG $715,000
JD Walton OC $774,375
Philip Blake OC $593,400
CJ Davis OG $555,000
Justin Boren OG $405,000


DE
Elvis Dumervil DE $16,948,000 - $1.27m left in SB proration - cut/trade saves $15.7m
Derek Wolfe DE/DT $1,193,582
Robert Ayers DE $2,241,250 - All guarantees gone, no SB proration left
Malik Jackson DE $533,400
Jeremy Beal DE $405,000

DT
Sealver Siliga DT $480,000

OLB
Von Miller SLB $5,727,376
DJ Williams WLB $7,732,500 - $900k SB proration remains, cut saves $6.8m
Wesley Woodyard WLB $2,000,000
Nate Irving SLB $728,750
Danny Trevathon WLB $506,018

ILB
Joe Mays MLB $4,166,667 - $670k still guaranteed, cut saves $3.5m
Steven Johnson MLB $484,000

CB
Champ Bailey $10,500,000 - nothing guaranteed, cut/trade saves $10.5m
Chris Harris $556,000
Omar Bolden $598,607
Coryell Judie $483,333

S
Mike Adams SS $2,000,000 - Nothing guaranteed, cut saves $2m
Rahim Moore FS $987,500
Quinton Carter SS $668,750


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K
Matt Prater $3,312,500

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KR/PR
Trindon Holiday Already Listed

LS
Aaron Brewer $481,333

I have us closer to $17.5m under the cap once we include the $1.5m we're still owed from the Redskins/Cowboys penalties which we chose not to utilise in 2012.

IMHO Elway will be looking hard at the deals bolded above, especially Dumervil's, Champ's, DJ's and Mays. Some creative accounting there could clear another $20m if the Broncos wish to make a real push again next season.

My other worry is performance related pay for some of our 3rd year players, I see major hikes for some of our guys like, Thomas, Decker and Harris which could dimminish the cap room available even more

Our own free agents obviously take priority including

Clady - $10m-$12m range
Colquitt RFA $2m
Vickerson $3m-$5m range
Bannan $2m
Unrein RFA $1.5m
Tony Carter RFA $2m
Stokes $1m
Jason Hunter $1m
Koppen $1m-$2m
Bruton $1m
Leonhard $1m
Brooking $1m

I will update this in a separate thread once the offseason starts kicking off.
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48 players currently under contract including some futures deals announced in the last 1-2 weeks

Here's the full cap count roster for 2013 as it stands right now

QB
Peyton Manning $20,000,000* - Not guaranteed until he passes March physical
Brock Osweiler $729,396
Caleb Hanie $1,250,000

RB
Willis McGahee $3,000,000* - SB proration remaining $1m, cut saves $2m
Knowshon Moreno $3,475,750 - SB proration $832k, cut saves $2.6m

Ronnie Hillman $652,708
Jacob Hester $715,000
Mario Fannan $483,333

FB

WR
Demaryius Thomas $2,430,250* - possibly due incentive pay
Eric Decker $758,037* - same as Thomas
Andre Caldwell $1,000,000
Trindon Holiday KR $480,000
Eric Page $480,361
Gerell Robinson $405,000

TE
Joel Dreessen $3,333,333 - $1.667m left in SB proration
Jacob Tamme $3,333,333 - $1.667m left in SB proration

Julius Thomas $651,000
Virgil Green $559,320

OL
Chris Kuper OG $5,915,166 - $950k left in SB proration, cut/trade saves $5m
Orlando Franklin OT $1,191,000
Zane Beadles OG $1,005,000
Manuel Ramirez OG $715,000
JD Walton OC $774,375
Philip Blake OC $593,400
CJ Davis OG $555,000
Justin Boren OG $405,000


DE
Elvis Dumervil DE $16,948,000 - $1.27m left in SB proration - cut/trade saves $15.7m
Derek Wolfe DE/DT $1,193,582
Robert Ayers DE $2,241,250 - All guarantees gone, no SB proration left
Malik Jackson DE $533,400
Jeremy Beal DE $405,000

DT
Sealver Siliga DT $480,000

OLB
Von Miller SLB $5,727,376
DJ Williams WLB $7,732,500 - $900k SB proration remains, cut saves $6.8m
Wesley Woodyard WLB $2,000,000
Nate Irving SLB $728,750
Danny Trevathon WLB $506,018

ILB
Joe Mays MLB $4,166,667 - $670k still guaranteed, cut saves $3.5m
Steven Johnson MLB $484,000

CB
Champ Bailey $10,500,000 - nothing guaranteed, cut/trade saves $10.5m
Chris Harris $556,000
Omar Bolden $598,607
Coryell Judie $483,333

S
Mike Adams SS $2,000,000 - Nothing guaranteed, cut saves $2m
Rahim Moore FS $987,500
Quinton Carter SS $668,750


SPECIAL TEAMS

K
Matt Prater $3,312,500

P


KR/PR
Trindon Holiday Already Listed

LS
Aaron Brewer $481,333

I have us closer to $17.5m under the cap once we include the $1.5m we're still owed from the Redskins/Cowboys penalties which we chose not to utilise in 2012.

IMHO Elway will be looking hard at the deals bolded above, especially Dumervil's, Champ's, DJ's and Mays. Some creative accounting there could clear another $20m if the Broncos wish to make a real push again next season.

My other worry is performance related pay for some of our 3rd year players, I see major hikes for some of our guys like, Thomas, Decker and Harris which could dimminish the cap room available even more

Our own free agents obviously take priority including

Clady - $10m-$12m range
Colquitt RFA $2m
Vickerson $3m-$5m range
Bannan $2m
Unrein RFA $1.5m
Tony Carter RFA $2m
Stokes $1m
Jason Hunter $1m
Koppen $1m-$2m
Bruton $1m
Leonhard $1m
Brooking $1m

I will update this in a separate thread once the offseason starts kicking off.
What is your source.?
Because the one I have seen Shows only 35 players under contract for 2013.
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48 players currently under contract including some futures deals announced in the last 1-2 weeks

Caleb Hanie $1,250,000
Willis McGahee $3,000,000* - SB proration remaining $1m, cut saves $2m

Jacob Hester $715,000
Andre Caldwell $1,000,000
Julius Thomas $651,000
CJ Davis OG $555,000
Justin Boren OG $405,000
Jeremy Beal DE $405,000
DJ Williams WLB $7,732,500 - $900k SB proration remains, cut saves $6.8m
Joe Mays MLB $4,166,667 - $670k still guaranteed, cut saves $3.5m
Mike Adams SS $2,000,000 - Nothing guaranteed, cut saves $2m
All of these guys are readily replaceable by players already under contract except for MLB.

Those cuts above give us another $20 million under the cap with the $18million we're already under.

The cap isn't a problem for this team. The biggest priority is to get the most out of a draft that's loaded with DT/CB talent.
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Great news for Broncos, they need to stay away from expensive FA, draft wisely and start trying to re-sign their own players.

I imagine DJ, Mayes and Porter will be gone creating more cap space.
Yes. As well as drafting good, I like how our player development has come along. That plays such a huge part in this. Billycheat is one of the best at this. Drafting good players with higher potential is key but if you're not improving those players once they get to your team, they won't turn out to be much more then the great college players they were when drafted. I see alot of players on this team that have improved just over the 2 years Fox and Elway have been here. So player development is just as critical as drafting well.
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Great news for Broncos, they need to stay away from expensive FA, draft wisely and start trying to re-sign their own players.

I imagine DJ, Mayes and Porter will be gone creating more cap space.
That is what I am loving about the Elway regime. He brings in solid free agents on short deals for low money to use as stop gaps while a drafted player develops. Aside from Peyton every deal is extremely manageable. Even in a win now situation, Elway is putting together a team that will be competitive for a long time even after Peyton is gone
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Aside from Peyton every deal is extremely manageable.
All teams have committed a sizeable chunk of their cap space towards compensating the quarterback.

Critics rip the Peyton contract all the time, but Denver paid market value for a four-time MVP. That's the going rate. I think they got a heck of a deal, too. He's worth every penny they are paying him.

After Peyton at $18 million, Sam Bradford (15.595 million), Philip Rivers ($15.310 million) and Michael Vick ($13.9 million) are the No. 2-4 highest paid QBs in terms of 2012 cap hits.
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All teams have committed a sizeable chunk of their cap space towards compensating the quarterback.

Critics rip the Peyton contract all the time, but Denver paid market value for a four-time MVP. That's the going rate. I think they got a heck of a deal, too. He's worth every penny they are paying him.

After Peyton at $18 million, Sam Bradford (15.595 million), Philip Rivers ($15.310 million) and Michael Vick ($13.9 million) are the No. 2-4 highest paid QBs in terms of 2012 cap hits.
I agree I don't even count the Peyton deal as a crazy splurge free agent move, because it is a move anyone in the league in need of a QB would make.
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Great news for Broncos, they need to stay away from expensive FA, draft wisely and start trying to re-sign their own players.

I imagine DJ, Mayes and Porter will be gone creating more cap space.
Mays will free up $4 million. Porter frees up nothing since he had a 1 year deal. DJ gets $6 million next year and is then a FA.

I don't really see us going after anyone in FA other than someone who is cheap as hell. We're going to be in cap trouble just trying to resign the people we have over the next two years.
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Mays will free up $4 million. Porter frees up nothing since he had a 1 year deal. DJ gets $6 million next year and is then a FA.

I don't really see us going after anyone in FA other than someone who is cheap as hell. We're going to be in cap trouble just trying to resign the people we have over the next two years.
We'll make plenty of value signings, but you're right, we almost certainly won't sign any big name FAs.
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Great news for Broncos, they need to stay away from expensive FA, draft wisely and start trying to re-sign their own players.

I imagine DJ, Mayes and Porter will be gone creating more cap space.
Porter only had a one year contract so he's already off the books.
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Part two is posted today.

As I have stated many times we do not have loads of money to spend, like so many seem to beleive and even less if they decide to keep Clady.

Considering shoulder surgery that is not s lock.
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