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Old 01-01-2013, 08:37 AM   #1
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If J.J. Abrams ever stops playing coy and just admits that Cumberbatch is indeed portraying Khan, will he ever make it into your Avatar rotation?

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The trailers look more like Gary Mitchell than Khan to me. It's probably neither.
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I'm boycotting Abrams until he agrees to do the new Star Wars trilogy.
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The trailers look more like Gary Mitchell than Khan to me. It's probably neither.
This.

First, cumberbatch is a bad ass. If you get a chance, see him in Sherlock. If he got to play Khan, I would definitely consider it. However I'm 80% sure he isn't Khan. And 50% sure he's Gary Mitchell. We'll find out soon. Regardless, the new movie looks like it could be a good sequel.
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Ditto. Not knocking it. Just have no clue besides its about startrek
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First, cumberbatch is a bad ass. If you get a chance, see him in Sherlock. If he got to play Khan, I would definitely consider it. However I'm 80% sure he isn't Khan. And 50% sure he's Gary Mitchell. We'll find out soon. Regardless, the new movie looks like it could be a good sequel.
Eh, I'm not as excited. The 9 minute preview that ran in front of the Hobbit looked god-awful to me. I still cannot stand Chris Pine's douchebag Kirk and Zackory Quinto's Sheldon Cooper, which I'm guessing he thinks is Spock. And when it comes to Trek, not getting those characters right is a deal breaker.
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Eh, I'm not as excited. The 9 minute preview that ran in front of the Hobbit looked god-awful to me. I still cannot stand Chris Pine's douchebag Kirk and Zackory Quinto's Sheldon Cooper, which I'm guessing he thinks is Spock. And when it comes to Trek, not getting those characters right is a deal breaker.
Seriously are you kiddin me.............

Kirk and Spock would be proud of their latest portrayals.......what more could you want from the "next generation" so to speak ?
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Seriously are you kiddin me.............

Kirk and Spock would be proud of their latest portrayals.......what more could you want from the "next generation" so to speak ?
Oh, I don't know, a Kirk who doesn't come off as an entitled fratboy and burgeoning sociopath and a Spock with a voice that sounds like he has actually experienced puberty. Seriously, they stuck him in a scene with Nimoy and there must have been a 3 octave difference between the two.

And seriously, what kind of a Military organization hands the Flag Ship off their fleet over to a 25 year little s*** that just graduated from the academy?
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Kirk and Spock would be proud of their latest portrayals.......what more could you want from the "next generation" so to speak ?
The whole appeal of Spock in TOS was the conflict within as he kept his emotions at bay. In the new reboot he is strutting around tapping Uhura and showing all kinds of emotions, I was never a big Spock fan but it was a huge plot point in about every episode in one way or another it was at the least hinted at so getting that wrong destroyed any shred of respect I have for this new reboot. That and a 20 year old Kirk not even out of the Academy getting command for the flagship of the Federation made it as plausable as the movie Battleship.
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First, cumberbatch is a bad ass. If you get a chance, see him in Sherlock. If he got to play Khan, I would definitely consider it. However I'm 80% sure he isn't Khan. And 50% sure he's Gary Mitchell. We'll find out soon. Regardless, the new movie looks like it could be a good sequel to The Abyss.
Fixed it for you.

JJ Abrams has totally destroyed the Star Trek Universe. What is up with the Enterprise crashing into San Fran bay?
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First, cumberbatch is a bad ass. If you get a chance, see him in Sherlock. If he got to play Khan, I would definitely consider it. However I'm 80% sure he isn't Khan. And 50% sure he's Gary Mitchell. We'll find out soon. Regardless, the new movie looks like it could be a good sequel.


Must agree, have become a big fan of Sherlock and both lead actors in it. As for the character, it's been long rumored to be Khan and the preview gives some indication that is a revenge scenario giving some small credance to Wrath, but I think you may be correct that he is not Khan. One random detail came out of the Wikipedia on Benedict, take it for what it's worth though because I am not sure it's really verified, but it stated he was playing John Harrison. also found this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz..._campaign=1490

So he probably won't be replacing your avatar. And really who could replace Ricardo Montalban and his rich corinthian leather.
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Who is Kalore? Is this the same person as Kupr?
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I think they both played on the 2007 Steelers offensive line with Foneco.
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Well, I see V2Micca went and changed the title. I guess he didn't want to go the way of Broncosfan2438 and try to change the title once Foneco took off. I think he caught it in time. Funny note: Kaylore pretty much started the Foneco thread with his post of it being a phone company in France.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_leather

Corinthian leather is a term coined by the advertising agency Bozell to describe the upholstery used in certain Chrysler luxury vehicles. The term first appeared in advertising in 1974.[1] Although the term suggests that the product has a relationship to or origination from Corinth, there is no relationship; the term is a marketing concept.

The term was first used during the marketing campaign for the 1974 Imperial LeBaron, but the term is usually associated with the marketing campaign for the 1975 Cordoba and that campaign's celebrity spokesperson, Ricardo Montalban, who described "the thickly-cushioned luxury of seats available even in soft Corinthian leather."[2][3]

Despite the exotic origin suggested by the name "Corinthian leather", much of the leather used in Chrysler vehicles during the era originated from a supplier located outside Newark, New Jersey.[4]

Some sources say the term refers to the combination of leather seating surfaces and vinyl seat sides, while other sources say the term simply referred to the leather itself.[5][6][2]
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Ricardo Montalban OWNS that role. I can't even imagine anyone else doing it regardless of the type of reboot. There are just some roles that are untouchable... and IMO that is one of them.
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I liked the new Star Trek. I'm a Treker. I favored the next generation with Picard and company. The original series is really old and hasn't aged well. I had problems with the reboot, but they were the plot holes, not the portrayals of their characters. I actually liked how the Kirk and Spock styles clashed. That's something TOS didn't do enough of. I don't think Abrams tells very good stories, but he's a good story teller and puts on a good show. I enjoyed Star Trek and hope to enjoy this one.
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I liked the new Star Trek. I'm a Treker. I favored the next generation with Picard and company. The original series is really old and hasn't aged well. I had problems with the reboot, but they were the plot holes, not the portrayals of their characters. I actually liked how the Kirk and Spock styles clashed. That's something TOS didn't do enough of. I don't think Abrams tells very good stories, but he's a good story teller and puts on a good show. I enjoyed Star Trek and hope to enjoy this one.
The plots of the TOS are very comparable to those of NG, the limits are the effects. Have you seen the TOS Bluerays that have updated effects? I think the best TOS episodes are better than the best NG ones and I like NG but watching Dr Crusher and Deanna Troi make me feel the way I feel when listening to NASA loops with Gene on them.

To me TOS is the main course and NG is the desert. I would like to rewatch DS9 and Voyager, I didn't like DS9 at the time and don't remember much other than 7 of 9 from Voyager.
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The plots of the TOS are very comparable to those of NG, the limits are the effects. Have you seen the TOS Bluerays that have updated effects? I think the best TOS episodes are better than the best NG ones and I like NG but watching Dr Crusher and Deanna Troi make me feel the way I feel when listening to NASA loops with Gene on them.

To me TOS is the main course and NG is the desert. I would like to rewatch DS9 and Voyager, I didn't like DS9 at the time and don't remember much other than 7 of 9 from Voyager.
I have watched the entire remastered original series, yes. The new planets, ships and effects certainly help. You need to watch DS9 seasons 4-7. They are some of the best Trek work out there.
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I liked the new Star Trek. I'm a Treker. I favored the next generation with Picard and company. The original series is really old and hasn't aged well. I had problems with the reboot, but they were the plot holes, not the portrayals of their characters. I actually liked how the Kirk and Spock styles clashed. That's something TOS didn't do enough of. I don't think Abrams tells very good stories, but he's a good story teller and puts on a good show. I enjoyed Star Trek and hope to enjoy this one.
Can you clarify this? It's not like you to openly contradict yourself in the same sentence

As for the New Star Trek, I have yet to see the last one. Kids and priorities and all. I guess I'll have to see it to get an opinion.
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Can you clarify this? It's not like you to openly contradict yourself in the same sentence

As for the New Star Trek, I have yet to see the last one. Kids and priorities and all. I guess I'll have to see it to get an opinion.
I think he's saying Abrams is good at telling stories, he just doesn't pick great stories to tell. Like a comedian who has great timing and comedic sense, with subpar material.
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I think he's saying Abrams is good at telling stories, he just doesn't pick great stories to tell. Like a comedian who has great timing and comedic sense, with subpar material.
Exactly. As a writer, Abrams is pretty crappy. His characters are forgettable, his plot points are lazy and ill-thought out and that creates massive plot holes. You can tell he "works backwards" and conceptualizes visually stunning scenes, but then tries to force them into a story afterward. His narratives are driven by action sequences.

That said, his movies are fun. The action is good. The physics (the localized ones, anyway) are realistic. His pacing is excellent, he knows how to get the right dialogue for the moment, his characters emotions are believable in the moments, and the scenes flow and escalate well. He captures comedic timing well, drama well, and action well. He's a good story teller, but his stories are kind of lame.

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In Star Trek, at the end of the opener we see this incredible silhouette of the Ramulan ship, damaged as the escape pods flee against a fiery background. It's powerful image.

...but how is there suddenly a fireball in this shot? It's pretty, sure, but it wasn't there before the scene started. It's not a sun, they were nowhere near one. Was it part of the nova leaking in from the future? The answer is it was pretty and looked powerful in that moment so he wanted it there.

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A supernova "destroying" the galaxy - This is Star Trek. They could have thought up literally ANYTHING and we would have bought it and went with "supernova." Lazy.
Why does Spock need THAT much red matter. Apparently only a drop is needed and he has enough for the whole galaxy.
And you can't drill a hole through a planet because the mantle is liquid and it would just keep collapsing on itself.
Speaking of, why do you need to put the Red Matter in the center of the planet anyway? You could squirt some in low orbit and be on your way.
Spock watched his planet get destroyed looking up at the sky. Was that a Vulcan moon? It didn't seem like it. Yet he could see it clearly. Anything that close to Vulcan would have been consumed.

The worst thing about this is Star Trek is the play-doh of writing. You can make anything work with a little effort. The nova could be some kind of galactic storm. The red matter could be only reactive in areas of high gravity and mass, etc. One sentence or a word change would have explained this stuff.

That said, I enjoyed the movie. It was good.

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Exactly. As a writer, Abrams is pretty crappy. His characters are forgettable, his plot points are lazy and ill-thought out and that creates massive plot holes. You can tell he "works backwards" and conceptualizes visually stunning scenes, but then tries to force them into a story afterward. His narratives are driven by action sequences.

That said, his movies are fun. The action is good. The physics (the localized ones, anyway) are realistic. His pacing is excellent, he knows how to get the right dialogue for the moment, his characters emotions are believable in the moments, and the scenes flow and escalate well. He captures comedic timing well, drama well, and action well. He's a good story teller, but his stories are kind of lame.

***Spoiler Alert***
In Star Trek, at the end of the opener we see this incredible silhouette of the Ramulan ship, damaged as the escape pods flee against a fiery background. It's powerful image.

...but how is there suddenly a fireball in this shot? It's pretty, sure, but it wasn't there before the scene started. It's not a sun, they were nowhere near one. Was it part of the nova leaking in from the future? The answer is it was pretty and looked powerful in that moment so he wanted it there.

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A supernova "destroying" the galaxy - This is Star Trek. They could have thought up literally ANYTHING and we would have bought it and went with "supernova." Lazy.
Why does Spock need THAT much red matter. Apparently only a drop is needed and he has enough for the whole galaxy.
And you can't drill a hole through a planet because the mantle is liquid and it would just keep collapsing on itself.
Speaking of, why do you need to put the Red Matter in the center of the planet anyway? You could squirt some in low orbit and be on your way.
Spock watched his planet get destroyed looking up at the sky. Was that a Vulcan moon? It didn't seem like it. Yet he could see it clearly. Anything that close to Vulcan would have been consumed.

The worst thing about this is Star Trek is the play-doh of writing. You can make anything work with a little effort. The nova could be some kind of galactic storm. The red matter could be only reactive in areas of high gravity and mass, etc. One sentence or a word change would have explained this stuff.

That said, I enjoyed the movie. It was good.
I enjoyed the new Star Trek, in fact I LOVED it. But my girlfriend definitely got tired of me pointing out how ridiculous most of it was. I had to stop requiring it to make sense and just enjoy the ride. I don't think they employed many scientific advisers for the movie, or if they did... they didn't listen to them very closely.

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Yeah, this was stupid. All they had to do was shoot a drop of it at the planet and the black hole would oscillate back and forth consuming the planet until it came to rest at the center of mass.

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