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Old 12-11-2012, 09:21 AM   #1
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I prefer to look at these stats after all the games have been played in a week *cough*Baja*cough*

Scoring > yardage because points count and yards don't.

Us and the Colts are the only teams with a winning record who are in the negative in turnover differential.

FYI After that beat down last night. NE's number 1 scoring offense is almost ten points ahead of us, and they now have the number 11 scoring defense and still lead the league in turnovers.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:32 AM   #2
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Lonestar will be here to point out the weak schedule and the amount of points scored on us againt texans pats and atl. Then tell us we're a year or two away from the superbowl.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:39 AM   #3
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Point differiantial is another quality stat. Takes into account how both sides of the ball compliment each other. I think Denver is #3 right now at 9.1
NE is just crazy at 15.1 followed by SF at 10.1

Next week SF at NE will be interesting.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:02 AM   #4
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Lonestar will be here to point out the weak schedule and the amount of points scored on us againt texans pats and atl. Then tell us we're a year or two away from the superbowl.
Thank you for being here to tell us what Lonestar will probably say.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:21 AM   #5
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Thank you for being here to tell us what Lonestar will probably say.

Cold reality is tough for some to take.

If last night and the NE game earlier didn't enlighten your ass nothing will.

It will take a perfect game to win in NE.............
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:24 AM   #6
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Cold reality is tough for some to take.

If last night and the NE game earlier didn't enlighten your ass nothing will.

It will take a perfect game to win in NE.............
Of course I realize that...It would be the playoffs and in NE. Not that hard to figure out, but thanks.
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Cold reality is tough for some to take.

If last night and the NE game earlier didn't enlighten your ass nothing will.

It will take a perfect game to win in NE.............
oh, the wisdom of the omane. This, this is why I come here. Yes, it's for enlightening wisdom like the above post. "Cold reality", please give me another gatorade dumping of some of your brilliant insight.
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Thank you for being here to tell us what Lonestar will probably say.
He Seems a bit OCD to me.
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Was just looking at some stats. NE has a pretty middling defense, but have forced 31 fumbles, recovering 19, which is 2 more recoveries than we have FFs, and we're at the top of the NFL in FFs. Just one of those years when an average defense becomes elite because they can force turnovers.
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Sounds good, but none of the stats probably matter anymore after 5 days, when the Broncos playoff seeding is basically set.

After that, it comes down to execution, and if the Broncos can begin to play 'perfect' games in the playoffs on the road in order to reach the Superbowl.

It's a tall order, and nearly impossible, but a fate that the Broncos had to know they were going to perpetually face, ever since they were blown out in the playoffs last year.
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Was just looking at some stats. NE has a pretty middling defense, but have forced 31 fumbles, recovering 19, which is 2 more recoveries than we have FFs, and we're at the top of the NFL in FFs. Just one of those years when an average defense becomes elite because they can force turnovers.
Belicheat coaches them to force fumbles, because the law of averages determines that the more fumbles you force, the more you recover. The more fumbles you recover, the more you win.
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Belicheat coaches them to force fumbles, because the law of averages determines that the more fumbles you force, the more you recover. The more fumbles you recover, the more you win.
Doesn't every team coach the defense to strip the ball or cause a fumble whenever possible? Pretty sure that's football 101. Conversely, ever team teaches/coaches and practices holding onto the ball when on offense, or ball security.
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NE defense reminds me of the Broncos D in 2005. They created a ton of turnovers int he season and their playoff game against Brady. When the defense failed to generate a turnover against Pittsburgh they were mauled on 3rd down

I could see NE defense suffer the same fate. Don't turn the ball over and play NE straight up

Last night that bogus PI really took the momentum from HOUS and placed it right back on NE . Really a turnover as it allowed NE to continue a drive
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Last night that bogus PI really took the momentum from HOUS and placed it right back on NE . Really a turnover as it allowed NE to continue a drive
There were several penalties that sustained drives for NE. That is something that every visiting team has been facing in Foxborough since Belicheat became coach, and something Denver will likely face too.

This weekend is the Broncos last chance to practice perfection on the road.

All other road games the remainder of the season will be DO or DIE.
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NE defense reminds me of the Broncos D in 2005. They created a ton of turnovers int he season and their playoff game against Brady. When the defense failed to generate a turnover against Pittsburgh they were mauled on 3rd down

I could see NE defense suffer the same fate. Don't turn the ball over and play NE straight up

Last night that bogus PI really took the momentum from HOUS and placed it right back on NE . Really a turnover as it allowed NE to continue a drive
If Denver does not turn the ball over or wins the turnover battle they will win the SB.
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Doesn't every team coach the defense to strip the ball or cause a fumble whenever possible?
No, they don't. Some teams obviously devote more practice time to it than others. The Patriots practice it, and study film about how to force and recover fumbles, everyday single day at practice.

http://www.csnchicago.com/11/30/12/F...177&tagID=9226

The Broncos don't do that.


When Shanahan was coaching the Broncos during the Superbowl years, the Defense was supposed to try to strip the ball from fellow Broncos Offensive players during plays (in practice), after plays, walking back to the huddle, and in the locker room.
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No, they don't. Some teams obviously devote more practice time to it than others. The Patriots practice it, and study film about how to force and recover fumbles, everyday single day at practice.

http://www.csnchicago.com/11/30/12/F...177&tagID=9226

The Broncos don't do that.
Yes they do. In fact it was one of the few things they worked on specifically last week for the Raider game. You don't get toward the top of the league in any stat in any pro sport without working on it.
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No, they don't. Some teams obviously devote more practice time to it than others. The Patriots practice it, and study film about how to force and recover fumbles, everyday single day at practice.

http://www.csnchicago.com/11/30/12/F...177&tagID=9226

The Broncos don't do that.


When Shanahan was coaching the Broncos during the Superbowl years, the Defense was supposed to try to strip the ball from fellow Broncos Offensive players during plays (in practice), after plays, walking back to the huddle, and in the locker room.
Ok, so it was just teams I played on in pee-fuggen-wee football that coached this. Got it, thanks!
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:35 PM   #19
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Was just looking at some stats. NE has a pretty middling defense, but have forced 31 fumbles, recovering 19, which is 2 more recoveries than we have FFs, and we're at the top of the NFL in FFs. Just one of those years when an average defense becomes elite because they can force turnovers.
What's weird is I never see them really doing anything that actually "forces" turnovers. At least no more than other teams. The way teams turnover the ball against them is really hard for me to understand. I'm tempted to call it luck.
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The biggest mis match between the Broncos and the Patriots is coaching. Belichick and yes McDaniels are the best in the business while Fox and Company are above average with JDR & Manning making them top five. Trouble is Belichick & McD will find your weakness and game plan something innovative to take advantage of it. That is why they consistently score early in their games. Figure what they are doing early (before half time) and we can beat them.
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Forcing fumbles isn't luck. Recovering them has been show to be so.
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Forcing fumbles isn't luck. Recovering them has been show to be so.
Outside of actual strips or hard hits that pop the ball out, I'm hard-pressed to agree with you on this. If an opposing back or receiver isn't practicing good ball security and a routine tackle causes a fumble, your defense lucked out. If a QB laterals the ball like **** and you are able to jump on the loose ball, your defense lucked out. A lot of fumbles aren't really "forced", let's be honest. They're just the offense ****ing up.
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Outside of actual strips or hard hits that pop the ball out, I'm hard-pressed to agree with you on this. If an opposing back or receiver isn't practicing good ball security and a routine tackle causes a fumble, your defense lucked out. If a QB laterals the ball like **** and you are able to jump on the loose ball, your defense lucked out. A lot of fumbles aren't really "forced", let's be honest. They're just the offense ****ing up.
I tend to agree, but the Pats seem to always do it, year after year, so there might be something to it. What always annoys me is how teams never seem to bring their A-game against them. And im not talking about getting their ass kicked, im talking about dropping passes, missing wide open guys. Hell, even McGahee dropped that wide open 4th and 1 against them
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I tend to agree, but the Pats seem to always do it, year after year, so there might be something to it. What always annoys me is how teams never seem to bring their A-game against them. And im not talking about getting their ass kicked, im talking about dropping passes, missing wide open guys. Hell, even McGahee dropped that wide open 4th and 1 against them
I would beleive that since they are the team to beat more pressure is on NOT to make mistakes.

The more the veteran team, with constants in the front office, (the same coaching staff for more than a year) the better the odds of coaching more advanced principles than the basics most of this year year for us has been.

While hanging on to the seems basic, loads more pressure to do so, means trying to hard sometimes.

Whereas the Pats have been doing it for going on a decade with only the very newbies with butter fingers. Even then it is not a new scheme AGAIN this year for everyone.
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I'd say recovering fumbles only seems like luck, as it's past the capacity of the human mind to calculate all the forces in play when a ball is knocked loose. In theory, all the physical data is ascertainable. Von Miller might be a defensive demigod but I don't think even he could process all the data (angle and force of blow, orientation and strength of ballcarrier, field conditions, etc.) necessary to determine the ball's location at a certain instant in time.
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