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Old 12-03-2012, 03:15 PM   #1
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My hats off to everyone in the organization. I was wrong about Manning and happy I was. The Defense has played beyond my expectations, Miller is just money.

Still...Manning must produce a championship, settling for anything less now won't do. The measure of greatness is not just division titles but playoff victories in combination with winning the last game of the season. Manning has maybe 2 good years left then we'll have to retool the offense all over again. So this short cut must pay off, it's the whole reason he was signed in the first place. I'm positive that Bowlen, Elway and Fox expect nothing less as well.

Today they all deserve praise, Manning deserves it, Miller deserves it, and the whole D most certainly deserves it. But I still feel in my gut and in my heart that until Manning hoists the Lombardi over his head the signing can't be called a complete success despite his great regular season comeback.

Maybe to some that's asking too much but since Manning cost the Broncos so much in so many ways and since his window of opportunity is so small nothing else will do. Call my expectations to high but that's how I see it.

The Broncos have to get one of their RB's or a combination to produce because without the threat of a running game I don't see them going deep in the playoffs. Thomas has made a big jump as a WR and the rest of the Receivers have done a serviceable job but it won't be enough.

Clinching early is great too but no guarantee of a championship. Manning's Colt teams did it many times and he only has one ring to show for it so the Broncos must not get complacent or take any games off the rest of the season. If they finish strong they could be the second highest seed in the AFC and get all their playoff games at home except the AFC Championship Game if the Texans get that far. So the remaining games matter and they must continue to improve in all phases of the game.

Congrats enjoy the win today Broncos Fans but they still have work to do. Like taking the Raiders to the Slaughter House on Thursday. GO BRONCOS!'

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Old 12-03-2012, 03:21 PM   #2
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:22 PM   #3
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:26 PM   #5
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"Manning cost the Broncos so much in so many ways"

Money, cap room, draft picks, the future of the team, that is many ways isn't it?
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:32 PM   #6
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Money, cap room, draft picks, the future of the team, that is many ways isn't it?
Money - It's not my money
Cap room - We had excess that we did not use.
Draft picks - Nope
The future of the team - Tebow (and that is what you mean) will never be a starting QB in the NFL.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:33 PM   #7
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"Manning cost the Broncos so much in so many ways"

Good point.

Hey Mojoe, you do realize that nobody wanted to play with Tebow right? B. Lloyd left, Eddie Royal left.

Don't think for a minute that any of our recent FA acquisitions (Tamme, Dreesen, Adams, Koppen, Stokley, Bannan, Leonhard) would have hopped on board.

Jack Del Rio would have never came to Denver.

The Broncos would have been fighting it out with the rest of the AFC West losers trying to get a chance to be blown out in the playoffs again.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:37 PM   #8
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Good point.

Hey Mojoe, you do realize that nobody wanted to play with Tebow right? B. Lloyd left, Eddie Royal left.

Don't think for a minute that any of our recent FA acquisitions (Tamme, Dreesen, Adams, Koppen, Stokley, Bannan, Leonhard) would have hopped on board.

Jack Del Rio would have never came to Denver.

The Broncos would have been fighting it out with the rest of the AFC West losers trying to get a chance to be blown out in the playoffs again.
I can't disagree with any of this.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:39 PM   #9
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You DO realize Del Rio signed with Denver almost 2 months before Manning signed and long before he was available?
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You DO realize Del Rio signed with Denver almost 2 months before Manning signed and long before he was available?
Seriously? Crap. Then maybe we would have had a chance to win the SB with Timmy. Guess we'll never know...
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What's weird is, the Broncos would likely be 4th seed in the AFC right now, with Timon at the helm.

Our running game would be lights out, and the Defense would be lights out. We would kinda be like SF...who I think can beat NE handily.
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Good point.

Hey Mojoe, you do realize that nobody wanted to play with Tebow right? B. Lloyd left, Eddie Royal left.

Don't think for a minute that any of our recent FA acquisitions (Tamme, Dreesen, Adams, Koppen, Stokley, Bannan, Leonhard) would have hopped on board.

Jack Del Rio would have never came to Denver.

The Broncos would have been fighting it out with the rest of the AFC West losers trying to get a chance to be blown out in the playoffs again.
EDIT: Below is my original post. I misspoke and said Royal signed after Manning. He did not, he knew Peyton was a very legit possibility and still left. Carry on with original post

Did you know that that just as the good Reverend pointed out about Del Rio, Royal with Cheese had not yet signed with Washington or San Diego. The Broncos still wanted him and they had Manning, yet he still left. It wasn't about money because he took a lesser deal with Whales Vagina than what the Redskins offered.

He wanted a change of scenery because in his eyes he needed it to revitalize his career. Turns out he just sucks, because he is the same in Whales Vagina.

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Old 12-03-2012, 06:41 PM   #13
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Did you know that that just as the good Reverend pointed out about Del Rio, Royal with Cheese had not yet signed with Washington or San Diego. The Broncos still wanted him and they had Manning, yet he still left. It wasn't about money because he took a lesser deal with Whales Vagina than what the Redskins offered.

He wanted a change of scenery because in his eyes he needed it to revitalize his career. Turns out he just sucks, because he is the same in Whales Vagina.
Royal signed five days before Manning signed with the Broncos.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:53 PM   #14
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****, I got it twisted. He knew Manning was a strong possibility and still signed with San Diego. My bad, thanks for the clarification.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:01 PM   #15
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Good point.

Hey Mojoe, you do realize that nobody wanted to play with Tebow right? B. Lloyd left, Eddie Royal left.

Don't think for a minute that any of our recent FA acquisitions (Tamme, Dreesen, Adams, Koppen, Stokley, Bannan, Leonhard) would have hopped on board.

Jack Del Rio would have never came to Denver.

The Broncos would have been fighting it out with the rest of the AFC West losers trying to get a chance to be blown out in the playoffs again.
This is Epic Fail.

B Lloyd was stuffed on a flight for St Louis by the Front Office well before his first full game of the season with Tim. Adams signed with us the same day Royal signed with the Chargers to 'escape' Turrible Timmy. The Broncos cut Stokely a couple years ago, right before year two of Kyle Orton's Pro Bowl stint in Denver, thinking his best days were behind him. Now suddenly Manning's the only way we could've possibly lured him off of his Denver area couch.

And the best part.... JDR signed in January, while Peyton was still wearing the Horseshoe and Elway was still saying stuff about Tebow having earned the starting job going into next camp.

Edit: I see Rev hit that last point. Still, it was icing on the steaming pile.

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How did Peyton Manning cost us draft picks?
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The whole draft of 2012 would have been different had Manning not signed.
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The whole draft of 2012 would have been different had Manning not signed.
Ah . . . probably not. Brockie Boy was born to be a Bronco. Peyton doesn't sign? We still draft the Brockenator. Brocko Nation!!!
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Ah . . . probably not. Brockie Boy was born to be a Bronco. Peyton doesn't sign? We still draft the Brockenator. Brocko Nation!!!
Hopefully by the time he starts he'll be ready, he has the physical tools to be sure, he just needs to get a head for the game now.
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Did you start the wave yesterday?
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The whole draft of 2012 would have been different had Manning not signed.
The draft probably would have went the exact same, exact Elway and Fox wouldn't have had the balls to draft Wolfe without Del Rio. They probably choose Reyes or Worthy.
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The draft probably would have went the exact same, exact Elway and Fox wouldn't have had the balls to draft Wolfe without Del Rio. They probably choose Reyes or Worthy.
I don't know about this. They did pick Von Miller. Who knows a good defensive guy better than an a guy who had to play against them...Elway.
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Doubt this is true. We defied some serious ass odds last year to stumble to 8-8.
Orton started 1-4 and took all the 1st team snaps from Tebow throughout the offseason all the way to the bye week.

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Theres broncos players who just said they would still be fighting for the west title in week 17 had he still been here. That ain't a future
Could be. One thing is definitely true. Manning has us fighting for a bye and the #2 seed. That would not have happened with Tebow. That might make the ultimate difference for us to be able to get to the Superbowl.

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I don't know about this. They did pick Von Miller. Who knows a good defensive guy better than an a guy who had to play against them...Elway.
Like Rev said, Del Rio was here with or without Manning...so the draft would have gone the exact same. I think Fox and Elway kind of give Del Rio credit for finding Wolfe.
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