Ok, so let's analyze this one - The Orange Mane

cmhargrove · 12-03-2012, 09:47 AM

Some people aren't as interested in this as me (I understand). However the Schiano kneel down antics deserve a little analysis. I found this sped up "three stooges version" of the kneel down play. It's kind of ineresting to analyze.

It looks like we did game plan for this (as we should have), but it also doesn't look like Tampa Bay has the right strategy. I would be going for the ball/snapping arm, but it looks like their theory is to knock the Center back into the QB.

Anyone ever seen this type of play work, even in college? It just looks like they were trying to be "punitive" rather than really getting a good shot at a turnover. Maybe, by having both our Guards dive in we just took the play away. Anyway, thought it was worth a look or three.

Requiem · 12-03-2012, 09:49 AM

Those guys are losers for doing it.

pricejj · 12-03-2012, 09:57 AM

I love how we basically laid out half their squad both times they tried it. Like, "Go ahead, do it. You will be throat punched to the ground."

cmhargrove · 12-03-2012, 10:00 AM

Another thing I noticed. Their two edge players 29 and 31 either couldn't find the ball if it were stuffed up their ass, or they were just looking for a fight to begin with. How does neither one of those guys even look at Peyton standing there with the ball?

Douches.

pricejj · 12-03-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Another thing I noticed. Their two edge players 29 and 31 either couldn't find the ball if it were stuffed up their ass, or they were just looking for a fight to begin with. How does neither one of those guys even look at Peyton standing there with the ball?

Douches.

Those ****ers knew if they touched Manning, they would be dismembered and drug through the streets of Denver.

enjolras · 12-03-2012, 10:05 AM

I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.

ColoradoDarin · 12-03-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.

It almost worked against the Giants because no one had tried it before. It won't work anymore because teams will be like the Broncos and ready for it - so it now accomplishes nothing. I don't wish injury on anyone, but I'd tell my OL to just fire at the DL's knees on these plays.

fdf · 12-03-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.

I agree. If they force a fumble, recover and run it back, all it takes is a two point conversion to tie the game. The game isn't over. Why should they quit?

ZONA · 12-03-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.

Wrong - it did NOT nearly work against the Giants. Who cares if the QB falls down because of the surge. The center to QB snap is over with in less then a second. The defense has absolutely NO chance at causing a fumble, especially if you make it a weekly thing and teams know that you're going to try that crap. The QB has the ball securely in in hand before the defense even reacts to the snap. There is a reason why why it has become normal in the NFL for the kneel down and the defense respecting it. The ONLY thing that will happen is injuries. I seriously hope the lose somebody to an injury while doing this and then maybe that lame ass HC will learn something about the NFL.

pricejj · 12-03-2012, 10:01 AM

Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 12-03-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.

I love Moreno on this play!

Mat'hir Uth Gan · 12-03-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.

!

Rohirrim · 12-03-2012, 09:53 AM

No class organization and coach.

55CrushEm · 12-03-2012, 09:55 AM

We should have returned the lack of class by having DT flare out to the left....Peyton lob him a short pass....then see DT easily take it to the house for a score.

canadianbroncosfan · 12-03-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

No class organization and coach.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...cle1228005.ece

I wouldn't say "No class"

jerseyguy4 · 12-03-2012, 12:06 PM

I think it will never work in the NFL and is pretty dumb. However, that's his right to call the play. Whatever.

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http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...cle1228005.ece
I wouldn't say "No class"

I never saw this before. I don't really like Schiano in general. But that was pretty awesome. I might even have teared up a bit reading that

edog24 · 12-03-2012, 09:58 AM

I don't get it. If they want to be pricks then just can the center during the game and get a scrum going.

Doing at the end of the game is just cowardly and it's obviously the coach who is pushing this. It's only a matter of time before their lineman start getting chopped and speared by other teams.

Bronco Boy · 12-03-2012, 10:06 AM

They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.

Beantown Bronco · 12-03-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Boy

They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.

If that were only true.

As was already mentioned, if you watched half of their guys, they're really not attempting to go for the ball or strip it away. They're just flailing around, some with their backs to the actual play or nowhere near where the ball would even be. It's just stupid execution.

Bronco Boy · 12-03-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

If that were only true.

As was already mentioned, if you watched half of their guys, they're really not attempting to go for the ball or strip it away. They're just flailing around, some with their backs to the actual play or nowhere near where the ball would even be. It's just stupid execution.

I don't think execution is the discussion here.

cmhargrove · 12-03-2012, 10:12 AM

Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?

Drunken.Broncoholic · 12-03-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?

I've never seen it done other than TB.

Bronco Boy · 12-03-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=jQz4BFbgARI

errand · 12-03-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?

If memory serves me right Schiano did the same thing at Rutgers and caused a fumble to win the game.....

DENVERDUI55 · 12-03-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?

It worked a time or two at Rutgers for Schiano. I actually like him and think he is a great coach but this type of play of bush league. That is the only thing I don't like. I liked that he gave Manning props on the pass to Slowshon where he was on the ground. He patted him and smiled.

12-03-2012, 09:47 AM	#1
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,396 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Ok, so let's analyze this one Some people aren't as interested in this as me (I understand). However the Schiano kneel down antics deserve a little analysis. I found this sped up "three stooges version" of the kneel down play. It's kind of ineresting to analyze. It looks like we did game plan for this (as we should have), but it also doesn't look like Tampa Bay has the right strategy. I would be going for the ball/snapping arm, but it looks like their theory is to knock the Center back into the QB. Anyone ever seen this type of play work, even in college? It just looks like they were trying to be "punitive" rather than really getting a good shot at a turnover. Maybe, by having both our Guards dive in we just took the play away. Anyway, thought it was worth a look or three.

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12-03-2012, 09:49 AM	#2
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,515 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Those guys are losers for doing it.

12-03-2012, 09:57 AM	#3
pricejj jungle Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisville, CO Posts: 5,131	I love how we basically laid out half their squad both times they tried it. Like, "Go ahead, do it. You will be throat punched to the ground."

12-03-2012, 10:00 AM	#4
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,396 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Another thing I noticed. Their two edge players 29 and 31 either couldn't find the ball if it were stuffed up their ass, or they were just looking for a fight to begin with. How does neither one of those guys even look at Peyton standing there with the ball? Douches.

12-03-2012, 10:05 AM	#6
enjolras Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,939	I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.

12-03-2012, 10:01 AM	#10
pricejj jungle Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisville, CO Posts: 5,131	Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.

12-03-2012, 09:53 AM	#13
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,789	No class organization and coach.

12-03-2012, 09:55 AM	#14
55CrushEm Wolverine or Superman? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North of Boston, MA Posts: 5,590 Adopt-a-Bronco: "Squid"Quan	We should have returned the lack of class by having DT flare out to the left....Peyton lob him a short pass....then see DT easily take it to the house for a score.

12-03-2012, 09:58 AM	#17
edog24 Pro Bowler Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 744	I don't get it. If they want to be pricks then just can the center during the game and get a scrum going. Doing at the end of the game is just cowardly and it's obviously the coach who is pushing this. It's only a matter of time before their lineman start getting chopped and speared by other teams.

12-03-2012, 10:06 AM	#18
Bronco Boy Avid Ambien Abuser It all makes so much sense! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 1,901 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eric Decker	They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.

12-03-2012, 10:12 AM	#21
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,396 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?