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Old 12-03-2012, 09:47 AM   #1
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Some people aren't as interested in this as me (I understand). However the Schiano kneel down antics deserve a little analysis. I found this sped up "three stooges version" of the kneel down play. It's kind of ineresting to analyze.

It looks like we did game plan for this (as we should have), but it also doesn't look like Tampa Bay has the right strategy. I would be going for the ball/snapping arm, but it looks like their theory is to knock the Center back into the QB.

Anyone ever seen this type of play work, even in college? It just looks like they were trying to be "punitive" rather than really getting a good shot at a turnover. Maybe, by having both our Guards dive in we just took the play away. Anyway, thought it was worth a look or three.

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Those guys are losers for doing it.
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I love how we basically laid out half their squad both times they tried it. Like, "Go ahead, do it. You will be throat punched to the ground."
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Another thing I noticed. Their two edge players 29 and 31 either couldn't find the ball if it were stuffed up their ass, or they were just looking for a fight to begin with. How does neither one of those guys even look at Peyton standing there with the ball?

Douches.
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Another thing I noticed. Their two edge players 29 and 31 either couldn't find the ball if it were stuffed up their ass, or they were just looking for a fight to begin with. How does neither one of those guys even look at Peyton standing there with the ball?

Douches.
Those ****ers knew if they touched Manning, they would be dismembered and drug through the streets of Denver.
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I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.
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I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.
It almost worked against the Giants because no one had tried it before. It won't work anymore because teams will be like the Broncos and ready for it - so it now accomplishes nothing. I don't wish injury on anyone, but I'd tell my OL to just fire at the DL's knees on these plays.
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:22 AM   #8
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I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.
I agree. If they force a fumble, recover and run it back, all it takes is a two point conversion to tie the game. The game isn't over. Why should they quit?
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:08 AM   #9
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I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.
Wrong - it did NOT nearly work against the Giants. Who cares if the QB falls down because of the surge. The center to QB snap is over with in less then a second. The defense has absolutely NO chance at causing a fumble, especially if you make it a weekly thing and teams know that you're going to try that crap. The QB has the ball securely in in hand before the defense even reacts to the snap. There is a reason why why it has become normal in the NFL for the kneel down and the defense respecting it. The ONLY thing that will happen is injuries. I seriously hope the lose somebody to an injury while doing this and then maybe that lame ass HC will learn something about the NFL.
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Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.
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Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.
I love Moreno on this play!
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:22 PM   #12
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Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.
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We should have returned the lack of class by having DT flare out to the left....Peyton lob him a short pass....then see DT easily take it to the house for a score.
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http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...cle1228005.ece

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I think it will never work in the NFL and is pretty dumb. However, that's his right to call the play. Whatever.

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I never saw this before. I don't really like Schiano in general. But that was pretty awesome. I might even have teared up a bit reading that
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I don't get it. If they want to be pricks then just can the center during the game and get a scrum going.

Doing at the end of the game is just cowardly and it's obviously the coach who is pushing this. It's only a matter of time before their lineman start getting chopped and speared by other teams.
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They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.
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They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.
If that were only true.

As was already mentioned, if you watched half of their guys, they're really not attempting to go for the ball or strip it away. They're just flailing around, some with their backs to the actual play or nowhere near where the ball would even be. It's just stupid execution.
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If that were only true.

As was already mentioned, if you watched half of their guys, they're really not attempting to go for the ball or strip it away. They're just flailing around, some with their backs to the actual play or nowhere near where the ball would even be. It's just stupid execution.
I don't think execution is the discussion here.
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Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?
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Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?
I've never seen it done other than TB.
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Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=jQz4BFbgARI
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Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?
If memory serves me right Schiano did the same thing at Rutgers and caused a fumble to win the game.....
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Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?
It worked a time or two at Rutgers for Schiano. I actually like him and think he is a great coach but this type of play of bush league. That is the only thing I don't like. I liked that he gave Manning props on the pass to Slowshon where he was on the ground. He patted him and smiled.
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