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Old 11-27-2012, 03:59 PM   #1
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Default Ronnie Hillman vs Chiefs (All 7 plays)

I'll be using this thread to show everyone what happened on all the plays he was involved in so people can have a better idea of his performance.

In some of the pictures I took, I didn't have the situation of the game because I was trying to get a better look at the formation... my fault.

When looking at the plays, you must consider the element of time. These pictures are all within SPLIT SECONDS of each other. If you see something AFTER he was tackled, it most likely wasn't there when he actually had time to get there.

He was in 7 total plays.

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Old 11-27-2012, 04:04 PM   #2
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Default Play 1

Formation: 3 WRs, 1 TE, 1 RB

Ronnie Hillman lines up behind manning in a the tradition formation Broncos run almost all their plays on 1st and 2nd down on. Chiefs show a front with 4 defenders at the LOS and 2 down lineman.



Chiefs don't bring and pressure and Hillman runs up the middle and out the backfield into the flat. Manning passes elsewhere.

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Old 11-27-2012, 04:08 PM   #3
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Default Play 2

Formation: Shotgun, 3 WRs, 1 TE, 1 RB
Defense: 4 men at the LOS, 2 down linemen, 2 LB

Hillman and Holliday are lined up in the backfield on each side of Manning. They showed this look this week.



Chiefs don't bring any extra pressure so Hillman runs out the back field up the middle and into a deeper flat. Manning eventually gets sacked on this play with 4 Chief rushers.

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Old 11-27-2012, 04:13 PM   #4
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Default Play 3

Formation: 4 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB
Defense: 4 men at the LOS, 2 down linemen, 2 LB

Hillman and Holliday are lined up just like the play above (this play occurred right after the last play on a no huddle). They are on opposite sides for this play



Chiefs don't bring any extra pressure. Ronnie Hillman runs out the backfield and towards the middle of the field. Manning passes to Tamme for a big gain.

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Old 11-27-2012, 04:18 PM   #5
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Default Play 4

Formation: Shotgun, 3 WR, 1 RB, 1 TE
Defense: 4 men at the LOS, 2 down linemen, 2 LB

Ronnie Hillman lines up to the left of Manning in shotgun.



It's an inside handoff... this is what Hillman sees when he gets the ball.



Hillman cuts it left and has 2 defenders (Hali and Derrick Johnson) disengaging blocks that he must out run. He has an open lane here.



Hillman outruns the defenders and finishes the run strong running through the defender and finishing with a 10 yard gain.

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Old 11-27-2012, 04:31 PM   #6
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Formation: 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB
Defense: 4 men at the LOS, 2 down linemen, 2 LB

Hillman lines up behind manning in a tradition formation, however Clady is lined up with his hands off the ground and outside leg out.



It's a running play to the right which is supposed to be between the tackle. Koppen gets depth but Beadles get's man handled. This is what Hillman sees when he gets the ball.



Hillman isn't even able to get to the LOS as the lineman are pushed back. Beadles is on the ground. Hillman has no holes and a free defender running at him while stuck behind the LOS. This is what he sees at the LOS.



Hillman gets stuffed. Behind the LOS.



There is obviously room outside the tackle but that wasn't the play. Coaching here might tell him to bounce it out or they're telling him to keep disciplined (most likely, I've never really seen our RBs bounce out).

He could have keep running a bit more flat behind Franklin and Tamme but he would have still gotten no where.
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:56 PM   #7
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SO DISAPPOINTING
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:58 PM   #8
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Action I appreciate the work you put in here
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:58 PM   #9
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So hopefully this gives a better picture of how Ronnie played.

There are so many reports of his pass blocking struggles at this point, but none of it is on game film. I can't remember a time where he screwed up anything in pass blocking recently. He had another great block during the Cinci game I believe.

So if his pass blocking is a huge reason he's not playing, it must be because he's not showing it in practice.

The Broncos oline haven't been blocking too great, and I've noticed that when Ronnie Hillman gets his carries, it's usually not much to work with...not just this game.

I say Broncos need some more outside runs too but that's on McCoy and the staff.

Bunch of naysayers about Hillman but he's really not given much to work with and barely gets any carries to get into rhythm. I don't know if McCoy believes in rhythm as he did the same to Tebow last year (not calling plays to get him into rhythm).

I also read on here that Hillman runs from passing formations so his YPC should be higher... this is laughable.

The Broncos as a team have been running out of "passing formations" most the time. When is the last time you remember them running out of a heavy set at the LOS? Outside of goal line of course.

It also doesn't matter what formations the Broncos are running out of without taking into account what the defense is playing. So this logic of running out of passing formations = higher YPC is ridiculous.

Ronnie Hillman 3 carries... how can you even judge the guy? But so many here seem to be so disappointed...

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Old 11-27-2012, 05:01 PM   #10
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I haven't yet seen the big play potential we were sold on when he was brought in... usually guys like this will show flashes even if they are raw but I haven't seen that. Just seems undersized and slow for being 185. Haven't been impressed so far.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:05 PM   #11
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Nice, I still think Hillman has a decent future with us.

That being said, I believe Moreno does as well, and seeing how much our OL was manhandled only makes Moreno's game Sunday that much more impressive..
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:16 PM   #12
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Nice, I still think Hillman has a decent future with us.

That being said, I believe Moreno does as well, and seeing how much our OL was manhandled only makes Moreno's game Sunday that much more impressive..
Moreno's YPC got hurt by the last 3 carries he had where the defense sold out on the run when we were obviously running.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:31 PM   #13
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Moreno's YPC got hurt by the last 3 carries he had where the defense sold out on the run when we were obviously running.
Not only did they sell out, our o-line pretty much let them into the backfield unchallenged. Those were not good plays for our o-line.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:15 PM   #14
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I haven't yet seen the big play potential we were sold on when he was brought in... usually guys like this will show flashes even if they are raw but I haven't seen that. Just seems undersized and slow for being 185. Haven't been impressed so far.
Saints game he had carries of 31 and 24 yards.

Raiders game he had a 29 yard reception that was mostly on foot.

Chargers game he had carries of 21 yards and 19 yards. Also a reception of 12 yards mainly on foot.

Slow?

Ray Rice: outside of runs of 43 and 37, he's not had a run over 18 yards... and that's as being the starting RB with a lot of carries. Ronnie has had 4 carries of 18+ yards this season on 52 carries.

Ronnie is all on limited opportunities... if you watch the games you'd see he's just randomly stuck in there and the blocking isn't great most the time.

Hillman ran a 4.4... he's not as fast as a CJ or a Charles, but he's still fast.

Hillman was also highly graded for his vision which was great in college.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:07 PM   #15
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this thread is pointless. i dont need split second analysis to know he didnt do ****.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:10 PM   #16
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this thread is pointless. i dont need split second analysis to know he didnt do ****.
Way to piss on Action's efforts here. If its pointless just stay off the thread.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:20 PM   #17
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Way to piss on Action's efforts here. If its pointless just stay off the thread.
Thanks Action. Matty added nothing and should have kept his mouth shut.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:09 PM   #18
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hes young hes not ready its as simple as that. hopefully he will develope maybe he will maybe he wont. we will defenately be searching for another runningback this years draft. with our first pick i definately would love to take ogletree from georgia to fill our void at MLB but in the second i would LOVE joseph randle from ok state. he would be an excellent denver bronco.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:29 PM   #19
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Play #5 and #7 if he cuts to the outside he gets yards instead of running into the lineman

#3 Manning threw it to Tamme for a good gain but if he throws it to Hillman Tamme is the blocker in front of Hillman and it could've been a huge gain, right?
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After looking at the pics again I think this no-gain run is Beadles fault. From my perspective Beadles should have blocked the DB that is coming in on the play, but he doesn't, I'm not sure who Beadles is trying to block. Hillman sees the DB and cuts inside. The play is pretty much dead right there.

So, bad blocking my friends, bad blocking.
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After looking at the pics again I think this no-gain run is Beadles fault. From my perspective Beadles should have blocked the DB that is coming in on the play, but he doesn't, I'm not sure who Beadles is trying to block. Hillman sees the DB and cuts inside. The play is pretty much dead right there.

So, bad blocking my friends, bad blocking.
I noticed that too. Looks like he turns in and there's already a chief coming through? From the looks of it if Beadles stays outside for that DB something could've happened better than the result.
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After looking at the pics again I think this no-gain run is Beadles fault. From my perspective Beadles should have blocked the DB that is coming in on the play, but he doesn't, I'm not sure who Beadles is trying to block. Hillman sees the DB and cuts inside. The play is pretty much dead right there.

So, bad blocking my friends, bad blocking.
I was going to say...if Beadles blocks that safety...that's a TD! How did he not block that safety..i'd really like to be in the film room to get his thoughts on the play. This is why we were going to draft Castro! Beadles is never going to be better than an average guard.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:10 PM   #23
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Nice thread. You can see why KC played us good they contained the run game pretty well with 5 and 6 guys. Run game was good but could of been great with the yards left on the field. Denver OL isn't a great run blocking unit. Ronnie needs developement he isn't like Porridge who was ready and explosive immediately.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:19 PM   #24
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Thanks for doing this Action. We talked about this thread on our podcast tonight!
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