Line protecting Manning at league-leading pace

[Bronco Rob]

Line protecting Manning at league-leading pace


By EDDIE PELLS (AP National Writer) | The Associated Press – 17 hours ago

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -- It's one thing to block for a quarterback. It's quite another when that quarterback is Peyton Manning, the NFL version of a national treasure.

As soon as the Broncos signed Manning in the offseason, the stakes for the Denver offensive linemen rose considerably. For sure, nobody wants to be the guy who gives up a sack, and in this case, nobody wants to be the guy who gives up the hit that could do serious damage to their quarterback's surgically repaired neck.

''I don't know if you can say it's added pressure,'' offensive line coach Dave Magazu said. ''I think they respect the fact of who we have back there. If their job is to protect you as a quarterback back there, I believe they would put forth their best effort.''

So far, all is going well for Manning and his new line.






http://sports.yahoo.com/news/line-pr...3478--nfl.html

[baja]

The 2008 team, with Jay Cutler at quarterback, allowed only 12

He might get sacked 12 times in a game with the Bears line. Think he misses Shanny? Bet he does. I thought at the time Shanny was finally turning the corner but that D OMG

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

But I was told last year that this line was garbage and couldn't protect the QB? Could it be subtracting Walton? Changing QB? PEDs? Contract years? I'm gonna go with changing QBs


That 2008 Line was incredible. Think they were least penalized too. Clady and Harris were monsters

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

But I was told last year that this line was garbage and couldn't protect the QB? Could it be subtracting Walton? Changing QB? PEDs? Contract years? I'm gonna go with changing QBs


That 2008 Line was incredible. Think they were least penalized too. Clady and Harris were monsters

Walton was playing at a very high level when he went down.
You have to remember that first year under Josh their OL coach was crap. The second year they had no offseason under a new scheme.
Nor did he or Beadles have any weight training or direction because of the lockout.

Having a real pro OL coach is huge in the development of young players.

I expect them to be just that much better come next year with yet another year of conditioning and weight training.

Is there a difference between orton /tebow and Manning. Light years.

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Walton was playing at a very high level when he went down.
You have to remember that first year under Josh their OL coach was crap. The second year they had no offseason under a new scheme.
Nor did he or Beadles have any weight training or direction because of the lockout.

Having a real pro OL coach is huge in the development of young players.

I expect them to be just that much better come next year with yet another year of conditioning and weight training.

Is there a difference between orton /tebow and Manning. Light years.

They need to make sure this Oline sticks together. Hopefully this doesn't detour Walton's progress. Koppens long in the tooth ya? Will be interesting to see how the clady contract plays out. Being at the top of the league is ammo for his agent

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

They need to make sure this Oline sticks together. Hopefully this doesn't detour Walton's progress. Koppens long in the tooth ya? Will be interesting to see how the clady contract plays out. Being at the top of the league is ammo for his agent

But not to rain on anyone's parade I do not see them giving Clady the contract he feels and probably would have gotten 5 years ago when OLT were the second most important position on O.

With the advent of the quick passing game, for the most part 3 steps back OR LESS that spot just does not command spending 10mil plus on per year.

Even Franklin as mediocre as he was last year in pass protect has been great this year. So IMO the franchise him, draft an OT in like the second round and move on after a year.
As good as he has been wrapping up 10% or more of your cap for a position that is no longer a premier spot makes no sense dollar wise.

[SleepingTiger]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

But I was told last year that this line was garbage and couldn't protect the QB? Could it be subtracting Walton? Changing QB? PEDs? Contract years? I'm gonna go with changing QBs


That 2008 Line was incredible. Think they were least penalized too. Clady and Harris were monsters

Wasn't that the year Clady gave up .5 sack and Harris 1 sack. Not to make this a Harris topic, but I thought he was a great pick. It was unfortunate his back problems kept him from having a very good career.

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

Originally Posted by SleepingTiger

Wasn't that the year Clady gave up .5 sack and Harris 1 sack. Not to make this a Harris topic, but I thought he was a great pick. It was unfortunate his back problems kept him from having a very good career.

Ya he started off great then the injuries started to pile up. Some players bounce back from that others just disappear.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Ya he started off great then the injuries started to pile up. Some players bounce back from that others just disappear.

He had those issues since Notre Dame and was a concern when he came out of Minnesota in High School. It wasn't really surprise. That is why he was a third rounder.

[Bacchus]

Originally Posted by SleepingTiger

Wasn't that the year Clady gave up .5 sack and Harris 1 sack. Not to make this a Harris topic, but I thought he was a great pick. It was unfortunate his back problems kept him from having a very good career.

I believe Harris is in Houston now. Hopefully he can recover from his back issues but from what i read it seems unlikely and he is a shadow of his former self.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Bacchus

I believe Harris is in Houston now. Hopefully he can recover from his back issues but from what i read it seems unlikely and he is a shadow of his former self.

Was pretty sure he was out of football altogether but it seems he just took 11 off. He has had no starts this year.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

But I was told last year that this line was garbage and couldn't protect the QB?

Teboners being Teboners.

[lonestar]

Cutlet saved his own bacon much of the time running for his life. It was not because those OL were stellar at all in pass protect. ESP jalopy when they changed briefly to pocket drop back in 06 after kubes left for HOU.

That was a real fubar at best. Think Mikey wanted Jake out so bad after he got his new toy that it was instituted but after seeing that the OL flat was not big enough to power pas block they moved to roll out more often.

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Cutlet saved his own bacon much of the time running for his life..

So he's not running for his life in Chicago now? He's running for his life there yet getting sacked way more times than 12 over last couple years

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

So he's not running for his life in Chicago now? He's running for his life there yet getting sacked way more times than 12 over last couple years

But you also have to remember that we had a decent running game in DEN most of the time and that kept the D off balance somewhat.

Cutlet made his own bed being adick and frankly they would have been much wiser to spend those two first rounders on OL guys than that putZ

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

Originally Posted by lonestar

But you also have to remember that we had a decent running game in DEN most of the time and that kept the D off balance somewhat.

Cutlet made his own bed being adick and frankly they would have been much wiser to spend those two first rounders on OL guys than that putZ

Wasn't our leading rusher only 300 something yards? And we had to hire a cell phone store manager? I think for them to have gone through that many running backs is a testament to how good that line was both pass and run block.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Wasn't our leading rusher only 300 something yards? And we had to hire a cell phone store manager? I think for them to have gone through that many running backs is a testament to how good that line was both pass and run block.

Do not pull the wool from his eyes.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Wasn't our leading rusher only 300 something yards? And we had to hire a cell phone store manager? I think for them to have gone through that many running backs is a testament to how good that line was both pass and run block.

IIRC 340 yards. But there were 7 plus RBs that year.

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Cutlet saved his own bacon much of the time running for his life. It was not because those OL were stellar at all in pass protect. ESP jalopy when they changed briefly to pocket drop back in 06 after kubes left for HOU.

That was a real fubar at best. Think Mikey wanted Jake out so bad after he got his new toy that it was instituted but after seeing that the OL flat was not big enough to power pas block they moved to roll out more often.

Yes Cutlers mobility helped but the OL was very good that year.

Shanny had to stop calling boots in 2006 because teams learned that Plummer was better outside the pocket than inside it. Pitt kept Jake in the pocket during the AFC championship and other teams used that as a blue print and played boot 1st. Plummers play inside the pocket digressed to the point that he forced Shanny to replace him. His last game as a starter was pathetic on Thanksgiving vs kFc.

The reason Jake had his best years with us was because of Shanny's system.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by broncosteven

Yes Cutlers mobility helped but the OL was very good that year.

Shanny had to stop calling boots in 2006 because teams learned that Plummer was better outside the pocket than inside it. Pitt kept Jake in the pocket during the AFC championship and other teams used that as a blue print and played boot 1st. Plummers play inside the pocket digressed to the point that he forced Shanny to replace him. His last game as a starter was pathetic on Thanksgiving vs kFc.

The reason Jake had his best years with us was because of Shanny's system.

Actually when Kubes left mikey hired dinger to replace him and they moved to the pocket passing scheme.

Even though they KNEW the OL had not been built to pocket protect. It had been designed for ZBS and roll it passing off of great fakes to the RBs.

They did this knowing that Jake was ill equipped for running this and that Mikey's heart throb cutlet was ..

Mikey learned the hard way when he promoted Greise over locker room favorite Bubby. He knew he could not do the same thing as Jake was the undisputed leader on Offense. Jake and mikey never got along much the same as John and Dan had to have a buffer in mikey. Kubes filled that bill kept mikey up of Jakes back. When Kubes left and dinger mikey old time college bud came to town, they changed the scheme Jake knew his time in DEN was over. But also knew of Mikey's fubar with Griese.

So he simply sabotaged him by first drafting, then the change in scheme all the while pining for his boi.

A shame that mikey was such a back stabber. But in the end all involved in the scheme got their fate.

Btw I think Jake had his best years in Kubes scheme more so than mikey's.
Mikey was just the HC.

Since Kubes left the O was never as good.

[lonestar]

Let me add that the longer guys play next to each other the more trust is built up. They no longer have to think what the guy next to him is going to do in each situation, they know and that split second they use to think about it is being used instead to react automatically.

That is huge at the nfl level. Something you could get away with in college because the guy across from you was not at the level they see every game.

[baja]

Kuper practiced yesterday, limited but did practice.

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

Originally Posted by baja

Kuper practiced yesterday, limited but did practice.

Ya that was great to hear. Hopefully they aren't pushing too fast. There's some bad luck with players trying to come back too early

[ozomulsion]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Ya that was great to hear. Hopefully they aren't pushing too fast. There's some bad luck with players trying to come back too early

I enjoy your posts, for the most part but when I read this, I asked myself a question. Why in gods name would he or the team let him rush back from injury when Ramirez is highly capable of filling in for how ever long is needed? 0% chance of that happening.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by ozomulsion

I enjoy your posts, for the most part but when I read this, I asked myself a question. Why in gods name would he or the team let him rush back from injury when Ramirez is highly capable of filling in for how ever long is needed? 0% chance of that happening.

All of the sacks this year took place when Manny was on the field. Not saying they were his fault but something was not functioning a normal level when he is in..

Does tha mean that franklin, Koppen or Walton was helping out in protection and their guy got in?

Not sure but something happened. IMO the run game dropped off when Kupes went in. Again something I can not put a finger on but it still seems to have a correlation.