Panthers this week: The Return of Fox

[Kaylore]

So there aren't any Panthers threads on this site for some reason and I'm starting one.

First is this is a dangerous team that has been in every game and just about won two road games against very competitive teams .

The biggest concern is their front. Most of their sacks have come without blitzing. They have a rookie linebacker who's playing mike filling in for Beason and has been putting on a clinic. I think their backside is their weakest area, and they aren't that bad in the secondary, they just aren't as good as their front.

It was mentioned during the excellent OM Podcast that this is someone we should roll. I would love to see the team do that for Fox and to shove it up their owner's throat for cornholling Fox. (FYI SoCal, This is a case of what you are mad at Bowlen about except unlike your issues with Bowlen, this actually happened: cheap owner. It was documented by the media and off the record people in the front office that Fox was forced out.)

I DON'T think it will be a blowout. I think it will be a close game. They have enough ballance on offense and one of those mobile QB's that have given us headaches that we should find ourselves with some frustrating third down conversions again. Their defense is active. Most of all, they are the second road team in a row and we're flying east again. I just think that's all going to play a factor.

I think we have a decent shot of winning, but Taco mentioned it would be demoralizing to lose and I wouldn't be demoralized. I would see it as splitting a road trip, which is a fairly good recipe for making the playoffs.

Thoughts?

[BowlenBall]

Cam Newton is frightening... a scrambling quarterback could really pose problems for our defense, as Dumerville, Woodyard, and our 2nd and 3rd cornerbacks are exceptionally tiny for their positions.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

So there aren't any Panthers threads on this site for some reason and I'm starting one.

First is this is a dangerous team that has been in every game and just about won two road games against very competitive teams .

The biggest concern is their front. Most of their sacks have come without blitzing. They have a rookie linebacker who's playing mike filling in for Beason and has been putting on a clinic. I think their backside is their weakest area, and they aren't that bad in the secondary, they just aren't as good as their front.

It was mentioned during the excellent OM Podcast that this is someone we should roll. I would love to see the team do that for Fox and to shove it up their owner's throat for cornholling Fox. (FYI SoCal, This is a case of what you are mad at Bowlen about except unlike your issues with Bowlen, this actually happened: cheap owner. It was documented by the media and off the record people in the front office that Fox was forced out.)

I DON'T think it will be a blowout. I think it will be a close game. They have enough ballance on offense and one of those mobile QB's that have given us headaches that we should find ourselves with some frustrating third down conversions again. Their defense is active. Most of all, they are the second road team in a row and we're flying east again. I just think that's all going to play a factor.

I think we have a decent shot of winning, but Taco mentioned it would be demoralizing to lose and I wouldn't be demoralized. I would see it as splitting a road trip, which is a fairly good recipe for making the playoffs.

Thoughts?

They have FOUR DE's on the injury report along with their best starting DT.

4 of which DNP

2 of those are their best 2 DL.

[CEH]

Manning and Fox are going into this game for revenge. Fox for being hung out to dry by Richardson the year before the lockout and Richardson telling Manning during the lockout to butt out and stay with football. Manning I'm sure never forgets being slighted by anyone

Both will be primed for this gam e and If Denver gets up on CAR early they will crush the Panthers.

[Broncomutt]

Being from Carolina I have watched several of their games.

The Broncos shoot themselves in the foot early, then come roaring back.

The Panthers play well most of the game, then shoot themselves in the foot at the end.

Panthers seem to have this "Here we go again " mentality when things go wrong. Also, while the Broncos have benched some non-performers (Mays, Moreno), Carolina seems content to field the same old trash. Not sure if that's due to injuries though.

I like our chances alot in this game, but hope the Broncos don't get overconfident.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

They have FOUR DE's on the injury report along with their best starting DT.

4 of which DNP

2 of those are their best 2 DL.

Yes - Especially if Dwan Edwards cannot go it will bode well for Ramirez. That's a matchup that concerns me.

[ludo21]

they have lost 6 games by 6 or less points.

They have been in most every game, just not able to finish them. I do agree it will be close, but it is not a game we should by any means lose. I would be disappointed for sure if they cant beat up on that defense.

[Bmore Manning]

Not too concerned about what Carolina brings to the table offensively. Olsen will pose a problem in the passing game, since we have struggled verse TE play this season, but otherwise it's all about discipline when going against Carolina and their rushing attack. The recipe for success is get a lead, force the game to be squarely on Cams shoulders. I'm in no way saying look past this game, but I don't see it being overly daunting to be quiet honest.

On a side note has anybody seen the guys over at Profootball Focus are very critical of Derek Wolfe?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ngals-week-10/

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by Bmore Manning

Not too concerned about what Carolina brings to the table offensively. Olsen will pose a problem in the passing game, since we have struggled verse TE play this season, but otherwise it's all about discipline when going against Carolina and their rushing attack. The recipe for success is get a lead, force the game to be squarely on Cams shoulders. I'm in no way saying look past this game, but I don't see it being overly daunting to be quiet honest.

On a side note has anybody seen the guys over at Profootball Focus are very critical of Derek Wolfe?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ngals-week-10/

Yeah I lost all belief in that site after the graded KCs OL as the second best in the NFL.

[Bmore Manning]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Yeah I lost all belief in that site after the graded KCs OL as the second best in the NFL.

On paper, based on last years performance and the acquisition of Eric Winston, they have a very good looking line.. ON PAPER. They are one of the top rushing teams in football, and with a real QB back there, their pass protection would certainly improve.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by Bmore Manning

On paper, based on last years performance and the acquisition of Eric Winston, they have a very good looking line.. ON PAPER. They are one of the top rushing teams in football, and with a real QB back there, their pass protection would certainly improve.

Games aren't played on paper.

[Bmore Manning]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Games aren't played on paper.

Agreed.. Just look at Dallas and Philadelphia. I just could understand why they would grade them so well, especially prior to the season.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by Bmore Manning

On a side note has anybody seen the guys over at Profootball Focus are very critical of Derek Wolfe?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ngals-week-10/

Yeah, but Wolfe has improved his technique and overall play the last couple of weeks. He's getting off the snap better and not letting OL completely latch onto him.

The stats in PFF are kinda against Wolfe because after Dumervil he plays the most snaps and as a rookie it's more about getting him the experience so he can get better next year.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Yeah, but Wolfe has improved his technique and overall play the last couple of weeks. He's getting off the snap better and not letting OL completely latch onto him.

The stats in PFF are kinda against Wolfe because after Dumervil he plays the most snaps and as a rookie it's more about getting him the experience so he can get better next year.

Wolfe is mind-boggling. For any rookie to come in and start his first season at DT in the NFL is unheard of. I'm amazed at this guy's progress.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

They have a rookie linebacker who's playing mike filling in for Beason and has been putting on a clinic.

Luke Kuechly from BC......I really, really wish we had found a way to move up and grab him on draft day.

[razorwire77]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

So there aren't any Panthers threads on this site for some reason and I'm starting one.

First is this is a dangerous team that has been in every game and just about won two road games against very competitive teams .

The biggest concern is their front. Most of their sacks have come without blitzing. They have a rookie linebacker who's playing mike filling in for Beason and has been putting on a clinic. I think their backside is their weakest area, and they aren't that bad in the secondary, they just aren't as good as their front.

It was mentioned during the excellent OM Podcast that this is someone we should roll. I would love to see the team do that for Fox and to shove it up their owner's throat for cornholling Fox. (FYI SoCal, This is a case of what you are mad at Bowlen about except unlike your issues with Bowlen, this actually happened: cheap owner. It was documented by the media and off the record people in the front office that Fox was forced out.)

I DON'T think it will be a blowout. I think it will be a close game. They have enough ballance on offense and one of those mobile QB's that have given us headaches that we should find ourselves with some frustrating third down conversions again. Their defense is active. Most of all, they are the second road team in a row and we're flying east again. I just think that's all going to play a factor.

I think we have a decent shot of winning, but Taco mentioned it would be demoralizing to lose and I wouldn't be demoralized. I would see it as splitting a road trip, which is a fairly good recipe for making the playoffs.

Thoughts?

Any time Denver plays a running QB with a live arm, I get worried. Part of it is irrational fear stemming from when I had 40 yard-line seats to watch Vick go ape**** at Investco years back. The talent discrepancies between top tier and lower tier NFL teams isn't huge. A couple of turnovers or deep hitters can easily decide a game. I worry about Cam breaking contain out of the pocket and hitting a couple of big deep throws. He can be terrible for 12 throws, but always has that ability to truck a blitzing safety and launch a 65 yard pass off his back foot on third down. Best thing to do is force him to go through his progressions in the pocket and make the short and intermediate timing throws.

[mwill07]

I'm pretty psyched for this game. Tickets in hand!

[Bronco Rob]

The Fox/Manning revenge angle has been underplayed all week long. Do not think for one second this game was not circled on the calendar the day schedules were released.


Tickle us, do we not laugh? Prick us, do we not bleed? Wrong us, shall we not revenge?

[Broncomutt]

Originally Posted by Bronco Rob

The Fox/Manning revenge angle has been underplayed all week long. Do not think for one second this game was not circled on the calendar the day schedules were released.


Tickle us, do we not laugh? Prick us, do we not bleed? Wrong us, shall we not revenge?

Except Panther fans and players don't really hate Fox. There isn't the venom towards him that Bronco fans feel towards McLoser. Most people understand the current woes of the Panthers is more a front office mess than Fox's poor organizational skills.

Having said that, there's little love for the guy as well. It's not like he's Shanny returning to Denver as HC of the Skins.

Fox never had back to back winning seasons, but he also put Carolina in 2 NFCCG and 1 SB. The feeling mostly is "There were ups and downs, let's move on."

[mwill07]

Originally Posted by Broncomutt

Except Panther fans and players don't really hate Fox. There isn't the venom towards him that Bronco fans feel towards McLoser. Most people understand the current woes of the Panthers is more a front office mess than Fox's poor organizational skills.

Having said that, there's little love for the guy as well. It's not like he's Shanny returning to Denver as HC of the Skins.

Fox never had back to back winning seasons, but he also put Carolina in 2 NFCCG and 1 SB. The feeling mostly is "There were ups and downs, let's move on."

I think the angle is more along the lines of Fox wanting revenge on Richardson/Panthers than the Carolina fans wanting to beat up on Fox. To be honest, i wouldn't be all that surprised to see Fox cheered when the Broncos take the field.

[Broncomutt]

Originally Posted by mwill07

I think the angle is more along the lines of Fox wanting revenge on Richardson/Panthers than the Carolina fans wanting to beat up on Fox. To be honest, i wouldn't be all that surprised to see Fox cheered when the Broncos take the field.

I agree. Unfortunately I won't be able to attend the game since I have to be in Nashville Monday morning. So you and your wife make lots of noise.

[Rohirrim]

Cam Newton 40 time: 4.58
Von Miller 40 time: 4.49

[mwill07]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Cam Newton 40 time: 4.58
Von Miller 40 time: 4.49

if I'm JDR, I'd consider having VM spy Cam. You see Cam drop back to pass, mirror him and when he breaks contain, stop him right there. See a read option: Von takes the QB.

Steve Smith is the Panthers most dangerous player - Champ will take care of him. Cam is the second - let Von negate him. That's it.

[cmhargrove]

Each game is a fun challenege for our developing Broncos. Indeed the scrambling Qb's with a "live arm" have given us big trouble in the past. I hope that our new defensive discipline and team play will help us handle the Panthers without any gimmicks.

That being said, this game is still 100% about Manning and our offense. If the offense comes out of the gates firing on all cylinders (or even most of them), this game should be in hand by halftime (up 10+ points).

It will be interesting to see how the injuries to Kuper, Tamme (elbow?), and DT (foot/ankle?) affect our production.

[broncocalijohn]

Cam can't put them over the top in the 4th quarter and Broncos are one of the best in the 4th quarter. Close game but our ever improved defense steps up and makes it a complete game for the Broncos. We win 28 to 20.