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Old 11-06-2012, 08:17 AM   #1
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This has to warrant a thread on the main page, right?

Anyway, Happy Election day. About to hit the polls myself, so soon it'll be +1 vote for Tyrion Lannister.

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Old 11-06-2012, 08:26 AM   #2
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:27 AM   #3
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He and I agree on 92% of "the issues".
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:32 AM   #4
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:53 AM   #5
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:58 AM   #6
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He and I agree on 92% of "the issues".
YOU FOOL! Gary Johnson cannot stop me! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
I will destroy this nation and bring your Joe's or Marines or whatever
you call your pathetic little corps to their knees!
YOU WILL KNEEL BEFORE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Also, Garys views on managing marijuana like alcohol and tobacco regulating, taxing and enforcing its lawful use are just a bit too liberal for me.
Also, i read your book....not bad.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:40 AM   #11
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This has to warrant a thread on the main page, right?

Anyway, Happy Election day. About to hit the polls myself, so soon it'll be +1 vote for Tyrion Lannister.

(no, I'm not seriously voting for a fictional character)
To hell with that. Mance Rayder 2012.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:44 AM   #12
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I heard that Obama was showing an early lead. That is, until all the Republicans get off work and vote. Saw that on FB last night. Thought it was funny.
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:13 AM   #13
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I heard that Obama was showing an early lead. That is, until all the Republicans get off work and vote. Saw that on FB last night. Thought it was funny.
Be careful with that joke... it's an antique.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:50 AM   #14
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I was 79 percent Gary Johnson, 76 Romney, 62 Obama.
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Also, Nate Silver has been incredibly accurate with his predictions:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
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Also, Nate Silver has been incredibly accurate with his predictions:

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Except when he wasn't. Like 2010.
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Except when he wasn't. Like 2010.
He got every senate race correct except for three (the coin flips in Colorado and Alaska, along with the surprise in Arizona). The one in Arizona was most definitely an issue with the polling data.

He struggled a bit with the house races, but that makes sense. Polling data for individual district races tends to be sparse. It's hard to have a good statistical model without data.

Essentially his models have been shown to work well when there is a lot of data available. For a presidential election that is most definitely true.

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He got every senate race correct except for three (the coin flips in Colorado and Alaska, along with the surprise in Arizona). The one in Arizona was most definitely an issue with the polling data.

He struggled a bit with the house races, but that makes sense. Polling data for individual district races tends to be sparse. It's hard to have a good statistical model without data.

Essentially his models have been shown to work well when there is a lot of data available. For a presidential election that is most definitely true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiveThi...term_elections

And the data might be wrong. Polls with dems regularly +5 or more skews the polls and supposes voter enthusiasm will side with the democrats, like in 2008. Alot of assumptions to make.

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And the data might be wrong. Polls with dems regularly +5 or more skews the polls and supposes voter enthusiasm will side with the democrats, like in 2008. Alot of assumptions to make.

History has shown polls have generally been accurate. Even a conservative reading of current ones should have the president winning. But really who knows.
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And the data might be wrong. Polls with dems regularly +5 or more skews the polls and supposes voter enthusiasm will side with the democrats, like in 2008. Also of assumptions to make.

Not true about skewed momentum factors in the better analysis of aggregate poll averages. Those more complete and reliable models account for likely momentum as much as it's possible.

And a very critical factor in this case is that the only sign of momentum direction that gives us any real indication at this point beyond wishful thinking or fantasy, is the fact that in a dramatic majority of polls over the last week, and increasingly so with each passing day up through this morning, there has been a consistent and steady, even if small and incremental, shift in obvious momentum toward Obama.

That is just an objective fact based on the published polls at this point.

Romney's ONLY snowball's chance in hell to win at this point is if there has been a collective statistical bias in nearly all the polls, both individually and when taken in aggregate which, while statistically possible, is 'EXCEEDINGLY' unlikely to happen ...

The polls, of course are not infallible, however they have been, by in large, far more accurate since the mid to late 90's than from the eighties and earlier due to vastly improved understanding and technical improvements in how to model and structure polls.

If the majority of polls over the last week had started to break toward Romney, then your wishful thinking might well have a lot more merit.

But in fact, its been the exact opposite this past week with Obama gaining in momentum almost across the board in swing states as well as moving up in the national polls as well. That is a very hard reality to overcome for anyone trying to find some solace or comfort in the projection of a Romney win at this point.

In essence, Romney's only hope is now down to a Hail Mary TD from Romney's own 20 yard line with 1 second on the clock with Von, Doom and Wolfe crashing the line and with Champ, Darrell Revis and Cromartie locking down the republican receivers. It has happened, it can happen, but I sure wouldn't bet one red cent on it happening tonight at this point!

Regardless of whom nerdy Nate Silver is pulling for personally, I can find no inherent bias or flaw in his methodology or mathematics. Read his book 'The Signal and the Noise', as I did, and you are bound to be impressed at the level of detail and cross-checking he adopts to argue against what his own models might seem to be suggesting at each step of the way. Silver does this in order to continually refine those models and to give more accurate and unbiased prognostications .. his rep depends on it.

Silver isn't running any of these polls himself, his analysis is looking at what the combination of all the polls are saying in total which is a dramatically more powerful and reliable view on what is likely to happen than depending on any one or a handful of individual polls regardless if their 'house effect' leans toward Obama or Romney.

And it is certainly more solid than any amount of wishful spin from either the right or left about 'their guy'.

Those polls with a known consistent bias for either side are adjusted for in his models, such that PPP, Pew, Democracy Corp. and a couple others that tend to skew a few points toward Obama/Democrats are weighted as such, just as Rasmussen, Gallup, Gravis, Zogby and a couple of others that consistently overrate Romney/Republican chances are adjusted and weighted accordingly.

Thus, if Romney wins at this point it will truly be a large shock and upset even though the race is technically close... and I very much doubt that's going to happen. Kind of like the odds of the Broncos coming from behind to win at SD on the road in the second half with a 24-0 half time deficit!

That kind of win happens, obviously, but only once in a very blue moon. Consider that awesome Bronco win was tied, or something like that, for the largest comeback in a 665 game Monday night football history ... and also was tied in all of Bronco history!? That gives you a rough idea of what the approximate odds are. Romney's might be slightly better at this point but not much and the analogy is a good one.

In Silver's last model posted today, prior to us all getting the real results, he ran the total of all polls through his model for 100 repeat elections .. Obama won 91 times and Romney 9 times. That is not no chance for Romney, but I really wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now.

Put it this way, if Obama wins Virginia whose polls close at 7pm EST we can all go to bed early as the fat lady will have already sung.

Its sure to be an interesting evening regardless.

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He got every senate race correct except for three (the coin flips in Colorado and Alaska, along with the surprise in Arizona). The one in Arizona was most definitely an issue with the polling data.

He struggled a bit with the house races, but that makes sense. Polling data for individual district races tends to be sparse. It's hard to have a good statistical model without data.

Essentially his models have been shown to work well when there is a lot of data available. For a presidential election that is most definitely true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiveThi...term_elections
So you're saying he did okay, except for the races he didn't? And I think you mean Nevada instead of AZ (he predicted Angle to win by 3 and Reid won by 5.5). There were only 5 close races in the senate that year and he got 3 wrong, including 1 massively wrong (8.5% off). He gave the Republicans as much chance of picking up 60+ seats as he has given Romney to win (R's picked up 63).

So yeah, he's not all that great.
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So you're saying he did okay, except for the races he didn't? And I think you mean Nevada instead of AZ (he predicted Angle to win by 3 and Reid won by 5.5). There were only 5 close races in the senate that year and he got 3 wrong, including 1 massively wrong (8.5% off). He gave the Republicans as much chance of picking up 60+ seats as he has given Romney to win (R's picked up 63).

So yeah, he's not all that great.
Silver slapped the taste out your right-wing mouth. Once again, he nailed the election.
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:44 AM   #25
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Except when he wasn't. Like 2010.
You know people can look this stuff up, right?

Nate Silver's 2010 track record:

He correctly predicted 34/36 Senate seats whose outcomes were resolved by November 4, 2010
He predicted a net gain of 54 seats in the House for Republicans (the House actually gained 63 Republicans)
Nate correctly predicted the outcome in 36 of 37 gubernatorial elections

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