Return of the big nickel

[gyldenlove]

I noticed we played a lot of big nickel defense last night with Leonhard playing FS, Moore playing SS and Mike Adams covering Graham.

I don't remember seeing that alignment before this season, and frankly I don't remember the Broncos doing it since we had Kenoy Kennedy.

[Bmore Manning]

Yeah and on the touchdown to Graham, Moore failed to step up when the play happened in front of him..

[ScottXray]

Originally Posted by Bmore Manning

Yeah and on the touchdown to Graham, Moore failed to step up when the play happened in front of him..

Trevathan had Sproles and totally whiffed ( got faked out of his socks) by his inside move, which gave him the free release. Moore then failed to tackle but the play was not Moores fault, so much as Trevathans. Sproles is hard to tackle in the open field, and I don't blame Moore for not making ONE play.

[Schism]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

Trevathan had Sproles and totally whiffed ( got faked out of his socks) by his inside move, which gave him the free release. Moore then failed to tackle but the play was not Moores fault, so much as Trevathans. Sproles is hard to tackle in the open field, and I don't blame Moore for not making ONE play.

He means the TD at the end of the game.

[swaiy]

Originally Posted by Schism

He means the TD at the end of the game.

The one that should have never happened because the playclock expired and it should have been delay of game?

[ScottXray]

Originally Posted by Schism

He means the TD at the end of the game.

My bad. Thought it was the other (non garbage time) TD.

[Action]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

Trevathan had Sproles and totally whiffed ( got faked out of his socks) by his inside move, which gave him the free release. Moore then failed to tackle but the play was not Moores fault, so much as Trevathans. Sproles is hard to tackle in the open field, and I don't blame Moore for not making ONE play.

That was not Rahim Moore --> That was Mike Adams... I'm not sure how people make these type of mistakes every week thinking every single **** up is Moore when the numbers are the biggest things on their jerseys.

At the snap - Moore is lined up on the OPPOSITE side of Sproles.



The missed tackle - Is #20 not obvious?



To be fair, Sproles does **** to everyone including your best safeties in the league.

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by Bmore Manning

Yeah and on the touchdown to Graham, Moore failed to step up when the play happened in front of him..

I saw that play. He was not sure on where to help, the outside deep route or on the inside route that went to Graham. Turns out, that if you don't make your mind up and do neither, that's just as bad as choosing wrong. This is EXACTLY what I said about Moore last week. I said his tackling is definitely getting better but he still hesitates on choices. He is not doing the best at reading where the QB wants to go. He has got to improve that or the good teams will eat him alive in the passing game.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by ZONA

I saw that play. He was not sure on where to help, the outside deep route or on the inside route that went to Graham. Turns out, that if you don't make your mind up and do neither, that's just as bad as choosing wrong. This is EXACTLY what I said about Moore last week. I said his tackling is definitely getting better but he still hesitates on choices. He is not doing the best at reading where the QB wants to go. He has got to improve that or the good teams will eat him alive in the passing game.

It was the right play outside of the goalline.

He's growing. It's a cerebral position and the rest will come.

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

It was the right play outside of the goalline.

He's growing. It's a cerebral position and the rest will come.

What was the right play, to stay center field and give help on neither of the 2 routes? I don't agree. To a point you stay centerfield so you can give help to either side but the further the play goes along, you have to make a choice. Against the better QB's in this league, you can't simply react once the ball is thrown, by then you'll be too late. You have to try and have a feel for where the QB wants to go, favor that direction but not committing to it fully. If you guessed wrong, you won't be able to get to the other guy in time to stop the possible catch but you could assist with the tackle. By favoring your direction when the play is about 3/4 through, that gives you time to get to the potential WR in time to make a play on the ball. Especially since you're talking about a long pass play to the endzone. You CAN'T stay middle and never choose. Either of those receivers in that case would have had a 1 on 1 catch against the CB with no safety help. That CAN'T happen. But he is growing, I know, I said that also. But this is the area he needs the most improvement in. Which is odd, because I thought coming out of college his cover skills were better then his tackling skills.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by ZONA

What was the right play, to stay center field and give help on neither of the 2 routes? I don't agree. To a point you stay centerfield so you can give help to either side but the further the play goes along, you have to make a choice. Against the better QB's in this league, you can't simply react once the ball is thrown, by then you'll be too late. You have to try and have a feel for where the QB wants to go, favor that direction but not committing to it fully. If you guessed wrong, you won't be able to get to the other guy in time to stop the possible catch but you could assist with the tackle. By favoring your direction when the play is about 3/4 through, that gives you time to get to the potential WR in time to make a play on the ball. Especially since you're talking about a long pass play to the endzone. You CAN'T stay middle and never choose. Either of those receivers in that case would have had a 1 on 1 catch against the CB with no safety help. That CAN'T happen. But he is growing, I know, I said that also. But this is the area he needs the most improvement in. Which is odd, because I thought coming out of college his cover skills were better then his tackling skills.

Re-read what I said. Keywords "outside of the goal line".

OUTSIDE OF THE GOAL LINE the correct play is to do what he did. Don't commit until the QB does and make the stop to save 6.

And the bolded portion of your post is crazy wrong. It should say, "against the better QBs in the league you can't have BLOWN COVERAGE"

[LRtagger]

They played it against SD and I think against NE too

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by LRtagger

They played it against SD and I think against NE too

They did in the 1st half against SD that is correct, I forgot about that.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by gyldenlove

I noticed we played a lot of big nickel defense last night with Leonhard playing FS, Moore playing SS and Mike Adams covering Graham.

I don't remember seeing that alignment before this season, and frankly I don't remember the Broncos doing it since we had Kenoy Kennedy.

*Sam Brandon

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

*Sam Brandon

And Brandon played the Big Nickel well.
I actually think Moore would be better suited to playing the actual "BN" position with Adams playing centerfield FS.
However, obvioulsy the coaching staff doesnt believe that. So, whatever.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by socalorado

And Brandon played the Big Nickel well.
I actually think Moore would be better suited to playing the actual "BN" position with Adams playing centerfield FS.
However, obvioulsy the coaching staff doesnt believe that. So, whatever.

I think Q Carter will be the best at it... when he gets healthy.

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

I think Q Carter will be the best at it... when he gets healthy.

Ooooh! Yeah, thats a solid observation. Carter is physical, and also solid in coverage. I like it.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by socalorado

Ooooh! Yeah, thats a solid observation. Carter is physical, and also solid in coverage. I like it.

Well I've been calling that one since he got drafted and it has yet to consistently manifest itself (here and there last year), so let's not get too excited

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

I think Q Carter will be the best at it... when he gets healthy.

Yeah, too bad for the microfracture, like Kahn said...Big Nickel would have been a good role for Carter.

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

*Sam Brandon

You are correct sir.

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

*Sam Brandon

This.

Why does everyone forget about Sam Brandon? We owned tight ends when we had that guy.

One of the most under-rated broncos I can think of.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

This.

Why does everyone forget about Sam Brandon? We owned tight ends when we had that guy.

One of the most under-rated broncos I can think of.

Brandon had 12 starts, one INT, 13 PD's, 2 FF's, and 101 total tackles in his entire career. Where did this myth he was a badass get started?

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Brandon had 12 starts, one INT, 13 PD's, 2 FF's, and 101 total tackles in his entire career. Where did this myth he was a badass get started?

Right there.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cito Pelon
Brandon had 12 starts, one INT, 13 PD's, 2 FF's, and 101 total tackles in his entire career. Where did this myth he was a badass get started?

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Right there.

And Right here in Vegas...Cito, watch your back in Vegas.

[Mediator12]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Brandon had 12 starts, one INT, 13 PD's, 2 FF's, and 101 total tackles in his entire career. Where did this myth he was a badass get started?

He also kept Gates and Gonzalez from having decent games against DEN and DEN was the number one team in the NFL against TE's those 2 years he manned the Big Nickle spot. That is why people think highly of him. He took away the huge TE mismatch in the passing game and was also decent in the run game against 11 Personnel.