Terrible News - The Orange Mane

Lycan · 10-17-2012, 04:04 AM

Despite losing his starting job, Broncos linebacker Joe Mays remains in the team's future plans.

Despite being replaced by veteran Keith Brooking in Monday Night's 35-24 win over the San Diego Chargers, head coach John Fox insists that he and the organization "haven't give up" on the 27-year-old from North Dakota State. Whether the move to Brooking as the starter is permanent remains to be seen, but the team appears confident that Mays will be part of their future, saying they will "evaluate him moving forward."

http://denver.sbnation.com/2012/10/1...-2012-john-fox

Thoughts? Here are mine:

Tim · 10-17-2012, 04:12 AM

Part of the team as a backup, I hope.

Smiling Assassin27 · 10-17-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim

Part of the team as a backup, I hope.

Can he return kicks?

go_broncos · 10-17-2012, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lycan

Despite losing his starting job, Broncos linebacker Joe Mays remains in the team's future plans.

Despite being replaced by veteran Keith Brooking in Monday Night's 35-24 win over the San Diego Chargers, head coach John Fox insists that he and the organization "haven't give up" on the 27-year-old from North Dakota State. Whether the move to Brooking as the starter is permanent remains to be seen, but the team appears confident that Mays will be part of their future, saying they will "evaluate him moving forward."

http://denver.sbnation.com/2012/10/1...-2012-john-fox

Thoughts? Here are mine:

Good thing is they accepted the mistake and didn't start him.
They can evaluate him...but, he is not going to change.

chrisp · 10-17-2012, 05:05 AM

Didn't they say something not-dissimilar about tebow shortly before they traded him?

Bottom line is you don't trash a player untill you have their replacement lined up - you may find you need them whether you like it or not. How many times has ANY team ever said "we're benching him becuase we think he sucks and he really has no future with the team"??

We did invest some dollars in the guy so we may be wanting to try to maintain trade value - not sure what the cap hit is if we cut him in the offseason. Plus I also think the Coaches really were enamoured of his brutal hitting and felt he would be an intimidating presence in the middle of the field. Its become clear however that this can't cover up his inadequacies.

he may have a future in goal-line packages and the like. He does have some value but probably not as a starter anywhere anymore...

maher_tyler · 10-17-2012, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisp

Didn't they say something not-dissimilar about tebow shortly before they traded him?

Bottom line is you don't trash a player untill you have their replacement lined up - you may find you need them whether you like it or not. How many times has ANY team ever said "we're benching him becuase we think he sucks and he really has no future with the team"??

We did invest some dollars in the guy so we may be wanting to try to maintain trade value - not sure what the cap hit is if we cut him in the offseason. Plus I also think the Coaches really were enamoured of his brutal hitting and felt he would be an intimidating presence in the middle of the field. Its become clear however that this can't cover up his inadequacies.

he may have a future in goal-line packages and the like. He does have some value but probably not as a starter anywhere anymore...

He should have never started in the first place. He was terrible last year yet we brought in zero. He is good in Special Teams and in a back up roll. Glad they finally realized he isn't as good as they thought he was.

TheReverend · 10-17-2012, 05:03 AM

He can be valuable situationally... we just need the appropriate depth to KEEP him where he's an asset and not a liability... like how Nolan handled Dawkins in 09.

(no, I'm not comparing Mays and Dawkins, calm down. I'm comparing situational impact)

razorwire77 · 10-17-2012, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

He can be valuable situationally... we just need the appropriate depth to KEEP him where he's an asset and not a liability... like how Nolan handled Dawkins in 09.

(no, I'm not comparing Mays and Dawkins, calm down. I'm comparing situational impact)

Absolutely he remains valuable situationally. Good teams have situational players like Joe Mays on their teams. They just don't use them on the 45-yard-line as two or three down Mikes He's useful Firing the A gap on 4th and Goal, thumping people on special teams etc.

Tombstone RJ · 10-17-2012, 08:07 AM

Mays will be on the team for this season. All $4m is guaranteed right, so why cut the guy if you still have to pay him? And no other team is going to trade for him unless the Broncos eat a significant portion of his contract. So basically he is back to where he was when he played for the Eagles, a backup MLBer.

I think the Broncos just really like Mays and wanted to give him a shot at being the starting MLB but they now realize he's just too much of a one dimensional player. Perhaps Fox thought that Del Rio could get more out of him or something? Maybe Del Rio just really liked Mays and wanted to see if he could be the guy, who knows? That being said the Broncos are really in a curious situation at LBer as Williams is AWOL/WTF?, Mays is benched, Miller is basically on the LOS all the time, Woodyard is ok but can't cover in space, Trevathan is a rookie, Brooking is older than dirt, and Irving is still an unknown. It's simply wierd that the Broncos didn't make LBer more of a priority on the off season.

The Broncos either need to have 4 guys on the LOS that can get consistent pressure on the QB so it frees up Miller to play more of a traditional SLB position, or they need to make LBer a priority in the offseason. I'd prefer they do both but we shall see. Heck, the secondary still needs work too.

phibacka31 · 10-17-2012, 08:20 AM

I understand he hasn't been able to beat out Joe Mays, but I still think Nate Irving has a chance to be pretty good. He has gotten big and plays pretty nasty... Wouldn't mind seeing him get a crack at MLB...

razorwire77 · 10-17-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by phibacka31

I understand he hasn't been able to beat out Joe Mays, but I still think Nate Irving has a chance to be pretty good. He has gotten big and plays pretty nasty... Wouldn't mind seeing him get a crack at MLB...

Credit where credit is due, when Von got dinged and he came in for a play he blew **** up. He's also been really solid on special teams. If he develops as a player, I think he's probably going to be more of a Keith Burns type than a starting caliber MLB though.

socalorado · 10-17-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by phibacka31

I understand he hasn't been able to beat out Joe Mays, but I still think Nate Irving has a chance to be pretty good. He has gotten big and plays pretty nasty... Wouldn't mind seeing him get a crack at MLB...

He had that monster tackle when Von went out on Mon night!
Like a freakin heatseaker!

cmhargrove · 10-18-2012, 02:55 PM

We certainly could have been more aggressive looking for linebackers in free agency (especially with the DJ suspension in the works), but i'm not sure there was a ton of top flight talent available in the 2012 draft.

I guess the biggest head scratcher is that we did spend "starter money" on Mays when other options were still on the table. Oh well, this team is still developing. It will be interesting to see how the LB corps changes over the remainder of the season. Lots of season left to play, and the young guys are finally starting to produce.

ZONA · 10-18-2012, 01:29 PM

What else do you expect them to say, he's done in Denver. They're paying the guy why would you want to kill any value or possibly get him disgruntled. Honestly, I don't even see the reason for this post. It's not even a relevant topic. He's a guy on the team, who doesn't start anymore and everybody in the world knows why and the team would not come out with any kind of statement about any player on the team saying they're not happy with them and they have no future with the team, not in the middle of the season. WTF do you expect to hear?

fontaine · 10-17-2012, 05:03 AM

This is one of the reasons why I like John Fox's coaching style.

He's not blaming the guy publicly, he's not promising to start him or bench him permanently, he's just promising to continue to evaluate him.

In other words, "Show me you can play better Joe Mays!"

I'll take that any day over "We're just trying to win a m*******g game!!"

2KBack · 10-17-2012, 05:11 AM

Of course he is still part of the plan....Mays has absolute value on the team, he is just limited in what he can do. He isn't a player worth hating, even if he is one you don't want starting.

broncocalijohn · 10-17-2012, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

Of course he is still part of the plan....Mays has absolute value on the team, he is just limited in what he can do. He isn't a player worth hating, even if he is one you don't want starting.

Exactly. The hate is coming because he is thrown in as a starter when he clearly has no business being there. It isn't like he is a top draft pick and is considered a bust because of it. He is a guy that might do well in special teams and be a back up to the back up. His problem is reading coverage and he can't cover. Mike is not his position. If he doesn't improve, he won't be on the roster.

broncosteven · 10-18-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

Of course he is still part of the plan....Mays has absolute value on the team, he is just limited in what he can do. He isn't a player worth hating, even if he is one you don't want starting.

They should have him gain 40-50lbs and move him to DT

Lycan · 10-17-2012, 05:29 AM

All I know is I never want to hear the words "Joe Mays in coverage" again.

DENVERDUI55 · 10-17-2012, 05:52 AM

He can be part of the teams plans as a ST player and a backup LB.

LRtagger · 10-17-2012, 06:23 AM

Probably should have evaluated how bad he sucked last year before giving him a huge extension

was just about to change my avatar too. Guess I need to leave it up.

Kaylore · 10-17-2012, 06:32 AM

Honestly he missed some special teams tackles. This reads like one of those cursed "votes of confidence" that end up showing the guy cut or fired a few weeks later. I'm not sayin Mays is getting cut, but "he's in our plans" and "will be evaluated going forward" doesn't mean he's going to play again anytime soon.

spdirty · 10-17-2012, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Honestly he missed some special teams tackles. This reads like one of those cursed "votes of confidence" that end up showing the guy cut or fired a few weeks later. I'm not sayin Mays is getting cut, but "he's in our plans" and "will be evaluated going forward" doesn't mean he's going to play again anytime soon.

He really did miss ST tackles? Oh goodness, I only rewatched/enjoyed the 2nd half and never paid attention to Mays.

Dr. Broncenstein · 10-17-2012, 06:37 AM

Man I was worried that Moreno was going to be activated when I saw the headline. That had me going...

go_broncos · 10-17-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

Man I was worried that Moreno was going to be activated when I saw the headline. That had me going...

Moreno should play against chiefs.
he plays well against them.

10-17-2012, 04:04 AM	#1
Lycan Omelette Dreamer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bloaty's Pizza Hog Posts: 2,079	Terrible News Despite losing his starting job, Broncos linebacker Joe Mays remains in the team's future plans. Despite being replaced by veteran Keith Brooking in Monday Night's 35-24 win over the San Diego Chargers, head coach John Fox insists that he and the organization "haven't give up" on the 27-year-old from North Dakota State. Whether the move to Brooking as the starter is permanent remains to be seen, but the team appears confident that Mays will be part of their future, saying they will "evaluate him moving forward." http://denver.sbnation.com/2012/10/1...-2012-john-fox Thoughts? Here are mine:

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Lycan Omelette Dreamer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bloaty's Pizza Hog Posts: 2,079	All I know is I never want to hear the words "Joe Mays in coverage" again. Last edited by Lycan; 10-17-2012 at 05:58 AM..

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10-17-2012, 04:12 AM	#2
Tim First round bye Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,068 Adopt-a-Bronco: DRC	Part of the team as a backup, I hope.

10-17-2012, 05:05 AM	#5
chrisp Friend of the unsung Not into the football......yet Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 1,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Danny Trevathan	Didn't they say something not-dissimilar about tebow shortly before they traded him? Bottom line is you don't trash a player untill you have their replacement lined up - you may find you need them whether you like it or not. How many times has ANY team ever said "we're benching him becuase we think he sucks and he really has no future with the team"?? We did invest some dollars in the guy so we may be wanting to try to maintain trade value - not sure what the cap hit is if we cut him in the offseason. Plus I also think the Coaches really were enamoured of his brutal hitting and felt he would be an intimidating presence in the middle of the field. Its become clear however that this can't cover up his inadequacies. he may have a future in goal-line packages and the like. He does have some value but probably not as a starter anywhere anymore...

10-17-2012, 05:03 AM	#7
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 32,981 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	He can be valuable situationally... we just need the appropriate depth to KEEP him where he's an asset and not a liability... like how Nolan handled Dawkins in 09. (no, I'm not comparing Mays and Dawkins, calm down. I'm comparing situational impact)

10-17-2012, 08:07 AM	#9
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,279 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	Mays will be on the team for this season. All $4m is guaranteed right, so why cut the guy if you still have to pay him? And no other team is going to trade for him unless the Broncos eat a significant portion of his contract. So basically he is back to where he was when he played for the Eagles, a backup MLBer. I think the Broncos just really like Mays and wanted to give him a shot at being the starting MLB but they now realize he's just too much of a one dimensional player. Perhaps Fox thought that Del Rio could get more out of him or something? Maybe Del Rio just really liked Mays and wanted to see if he could be the guy, who knows? That being said the Broncos are really in a curious situation at LBer as Williams is AWOL/WTF?, Mays is benched, Miller is basically on the LOS all the time, Woodyard is ok but can't cover in space, Trevathan is a rookie, Brooking is older than dirt, and Irving is still an unknown. It's simply wierd that the Broncos didn't make LBer more of a priority on the off season. The Broncos either need to have 4 guys on the LOS that can get consistent pressure on the QB so it frees up Miller to play more of a traditional SLB position, or they need to make LBer a priority in the offseason. I'd prefer they do both but we shall see. Heck, the secondary still needs work too.

10-17-2012, 08:20 AM	#10
phibacka31 Perennial Pro-bowler Nasty Nate Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manchester, IA Posts: 985 Adopt-a-Bronco: Nate Irving	I understand he hasn't been able to beat out Joe Mays, but I still think Nate Irving has a chance to be pretty good. He has gotten big and plays pretty nasty... Wouldn't mind seeing him get a crack at MLB...

10-18-2012, 02:55 PM	#13
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,404 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	We certainly could have been more aggressive looking for linebackers in free agency (especially with the DJ suspension in the works), but i'm not sure there was a ton of top flight talent available in the 2012 draft. I guess the biggest head scratcher is that we did spend "starter money" on Mays when other options were still on the table. Oh well, this team is still developing. It will be interesting to see how the LB corps changes over the remainder of the season. Lots of season left to play, and the young guys are finally starting to produce.

10-18-2012, 01:29 PM	#14
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,369 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	What else do you expect them to say, he's done in Denver. They're paying the guy why would you want to kill any value or possibly get him disgruntled. Honestly, I don't even see the reason for this post. It's not even a relevant topic. He's a guy on the team, who doesn't start anymore and everybody in the world knows why and the team would not come out with any kind of statement about any player on the team saying they're not happy with them and they have no future with the team, not in the middle of the season. WTF do you expect to hear?

10-17-2012, 05:03 AM	#15
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,422	This is one of the reasons why I like John Fox's coaching style. He's not blaming the guy publicly, he's not promising to start him or bench him permanently, he's just promising to continue to evaluate him. In other words, "Show me you can play better Joe Mays!" I'll take that any day over "We're just trying to win a m*******g game!!"

10-17-2012, 05:11 AM	#16
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,275	Of course he is still part of the plan....Mays has absolute value on the team, he is just limited in what he can do. He isn't a player worth hating, even if he is one you don't want starting.

10-17-2012, 05:52 AM	#20
DENVERDUI55 Drunk on Arrival! New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,151 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	He can be part of the teams plans as a ST player and a backup LB.

10-17-2012, 06:23 AM	#21
LRtagger Ring of Famer CUT THAT MEAT Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,256 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Probably should have evaluated how bad he sucked last year before giving him a huge extension was just about to change my avatar too. Guess I need to leave it up.

10-17-2012, 06:32 AM	#22
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,025 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Honestly he missed some special teams tackles. This reads like one of those cursed "votes of confidence" that end up showing the guy cut or fired a few weeks later. I'm not sayin Mays is getting cut, but "he's in our plans" and "will be evaluated going forward" doesn't mean he's going to play again anytime soon.

10-17-2012, 06:37 AM	#24
Dr. Broncenstein Overdriven Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sterile Fields Posts: 11,615 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Woodyard	Man I was worried that Moreno was going to be activated when I saw the headline. That had me going...