Bet ya wish ya had DJ playing now.

[Requiem]

Haters gonna hate.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Wish we had someone better than Mays. Still not missing DJs tackles 5-10 yards up the field. Woodyard, Brooking, and the rest of the committee are doing that just fine

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

Wish we had someone better than Mays. Still not missing DJs tackles 5-10 yards up the field. Woodyard, Brooking, and the rest of the committee are doing that just fine

~ 10% of DJ's tackles last year were for loss. Five others were sacks. You were saying?

[BroncoMan4ever]

Originally Posted by Requiem

~ 10% of DJ's tackles last year were for loss. Five others were sacks. You were saying?

DJ 2011 full season
90 tackles(70 solo), 5 sacks, 3 FF, 0 INT

DJ had he not missed 3 games stats
111 tackles(87 solo), 6 sacks, 3 FF, 0 INT

DJ through 5 games 2011
30 tackles(22 solo), 2 sacks, 1 FF, 0 INT

---——----------------------------------------------------------

WW through 5 games
37 tackles(25 solo), 2 sacks, 0 FF, 1 INT
WW averaged out for season
119 tackles(75 solo), 6 sacks, 0 FF, 3 INT

Brooking through 5 games
17 tackles(9 solo), 0 sacks, 1 FF, 0 INT
Brooking averaged out for season
55 tackles(28 solo), 0 sacks, 3 FF, 0 INT

Through the first 5 games of DJ's season last year and the 2 guys who have taken his position the first 5 games this year, DJ has been eclipsed. Not only that but his replacements are on pace to better his season total.

I couldn't find the tackles for loss stat. (Working on my phone) So I will have to take your word for it.

Also I don't expect WW to get 2 more INTs since our LB corps averages maybe 1 a year, but causing a couple FF wouldn't surprise me.

They may not have his natural ability but his athletic prowess over his replacements isn't so great that he is missed or that his douchebaggery should be overlooked

[dsmoot]

Originally Posted by Requiem

~ 10% of DJ's tackles last year were for loss. Five others were sacks. You were saying?

I think he was referencing the other 85% of his tackles. Just a small percentage. What did you mean?

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by Requiem

~ 10% of DJ's tackles last year were for loss. Five others were sacks. You were saying?

So 90% of his tackles were past the LOS is what you are saying?

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

So 90% of his tackles were past the LOS is what you are saying?

As are almost every linebackers in the league that aren't elite players. In Woodyard's best year (which posters point to saying there isn't a drop off in production) he didn't register in the top 100 defenders in the league in that category. Yet, Williams has the past two years, and had better years for TFL in 2007-2009, so it is quite safe to assume that was the case when his TFL in those years were higher than what the bottom end of the top 100 defenders in football was most recently.

FWIW: Tulloch, Lofton and Hawthorne, who were all available, are in that same boat percentage wise too. Would have been nice to grab one of them and plug them inside as opposed to Joe Mays, eh?

Unless you are named Von Miller, Demarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs or James Harrison (a few others too) based on 2011 statistics, you aren't going to be notching more than 15% of your tackles for loss behind the LOS. I've mentioned several linebackers who are considered "elite" in this league, where D.J. has had comparable numbers in re: TFL over the past few seasons. (Note: This doesn't mean D.J. is elite.)

There is a myth being perpetrated on this board that most all Williams tackles were 10 yards down field, yet there isn't any visual or statistical evidence provided by anyone in that regard. They are just talking out their rears. Yet, plenty of evidence has been provided that he has been one of the better pass rushing LBers over the past several seasons and has been making more plays on the ball than he ever has in his career when you take into consideration FF and FR.

I never said Williams was an All-Pro or elite line backer. We can give Von Miller those kudos as he was devastating last year and on pace to even do better this year. Williams is a good player. He is not special, but he is solid. Can't expect much more out of a mid-first round pick than he has given us in his 8 years with the team. Nobody denies that his off the field **** gets old or either. Perhaps if his head was in the right place, he could achieve his full potential. Even those who support Williams don't go out of their way to make excuses for actions that are simply inexcusable -- and no, I don't feel that SoCal does that.

However, as I've stated previously, he has played inside in two different schemes, and OLB at both SAM and WILL in his career under 7 different defensive coordinators. He never got the chance to stick in one place and develop. His ability to be so versatile (mainly due to athleticism) allowed him to do what was necessary for the team.

People really need to stop b****ing about his play and stop the ridiculous remarks that Woodyard is his equal. He is NOT.

[Shananahan]

Originally Posted by Requiem

he has played inside in two different schemes, and OLB at both SAM and WILL in his career under 7 different defensive coordinators.

Is it any wonder he drinks?

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by Requiem

~ 10% of DJ's tackles last year were for loss. Five others were sacks. You were saying?

This is really misleading.

First, 10% TFL for a LB is a very low ratio. He had 75 tackles and 27 assists last year for a whopping 102 total tackles and only 8 tackles for loss. So, techincally its 8% TFL, of those 5 were sacks, so he really only had 3 tackles for loss on a RB or a WR or a TE.

For a WLB his numbers are pathetic. His Positive Win Probability is ****ty too making him the 51st best LB in the nation (Von Miller came in second). HIs EPA was 74th in the League.

46th in Passes Defensed, 44th in QB Hits, 16th in Forced Fumbles, 46th in TFL, and NOT among the 55 Linebackers in the country that got at least one interception.

Im not sure what you want to use to define his role. If, as a WLB, he is supposed to rush the passer, he sucks at it. If, as a WLB he is supposed to get stops, he sucks at it. If as a WLB he is supposed to drop into coverage, he sucks at it.

Quite frankly, DJ is a very below average Linebacker on the field and a ****ty person off it. The sooner we trade/cut/get rid of this Hurricane trash the better

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

This is really misleading.

First, 10% TFL for a LB is a very low ratio. He had 75 tackles and 27 assists last year for a whopping 102 total tackles and only 8 tackles for loss. So, techincally its 8% TFL, of those 5 were sacks, so he really only had 3 tackles for loss on a RB or a WR or a TE.

For a WLB his numbers are pathetic. His Positive Win Probability is ****ty too making him the 51st best LB in the nation (Von Miller came in second). HIs EPA was 74th in the League.

46th in Passes Defensed, 44th in QB Hits, 16th in Forced Fumbles, 46th in TFL, and NOT among the 55 Linebackers in the country that got at least one interception.

Im not sure what you want to use to define his role. If, as a WLB, he is supposed to rush the passer, he sucks at it. If, as a WLB he is supposed to get stops, he sucks at it. If as a WLB he is supposed to drop into coverage, he sucks at it.

Quite frankly, DJ is a very below average Linebacker on the field and a ****ty person off it. The sooner we trade/cut/get rid of this Hurricane trash the better

But but but he led the team in tackles. That is the war cry.

What most do not realize or do not want to is the defense is designed for lbs to make the tackles. So BFD about that.
If he is not doing I the guy that has played his spot this year will.

Last year WW outplayed him in all aspects besides sacks. I suspect that WW was not asked to blitz much. As it seems that this year he is indeed on pace to beat dumb asses totals for the prior year.

Oh BTW WW started 6 games less than dumb ass did, still had better stats than dreams hero.

[CEH]

DJ is an overrated LBer and has been for a while and at $5MM a year is one of the worst ROI in the league

We could use that $5MM in alot better ways and get the same production out of Woodyard

I expect a WSLBer who is making that much money to be a playmaker

DJ is a player just off the field not on it

I've wanted Denver to free up that money for years now. Finally they may be forced to after the dumbass used animal urine to try and pass a drug test

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

Wish we had someone better than Mays. Still not missing DJs tackles 5-10 yards up the field. Woodyard, Brooking, and the rest of the committee are doing that just fine

How dare DJ tackle someone that others missed!

[SoCalBronco]

Haha....nice. Go Req...and go DJ!

[R-Mac]

It's not our fault he drives drunk and sends his dog's urine to the NFL.

[SoCalBronco]

Lonestar being trolled hard.

Good stuff.

[broncocalijohn]

So Req and SoCal, please explain to us why he isnt playing right now? Contract dispute? Injuried?

This is one of those times when it is best to shut the **** up and realize "your boy" is not playing because of his own stupid fault. If he was so much better than Mays or anyone else, he would have made sure to be the #1 guy and not be a **** up.

[HAT]

Mays > DJ

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by HAT

Mays > DJ

Wow, really showing your low football IQ right there dude. You may not like DJ because of his off the field problems but to think Mays is flat out a better LB, thank god your not our talent scout.

[HAT]

Originally Posted by ZONA

Wow, really showing your low football IQ right there dude. You may not like DJ because of his off the field problems but to think Mays is flat out a better LB, thank god your not our talent scout.

Anybody currently on the roster > Anybody currently not

[Shananahan]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

So Req and SoCal, please explain to us why he isnt playing right now? Contract dispute? Injuried?

This is one of those times when it is best to shut the **** up and realize "your boy" is not playing because of his own stupid fault. If he was so much better than Mays or anyone else, he would have made sure to be the #1 guy and not be a **** up.

Well he's obviously an idiot, but what's your point?

Denver's defense would be better with him on the field.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

So Req and SoCal, please explain to us why he isnt playing right now? Contract dispute? Injuried?

This is one of those times when it is best to shut the **** up and realize "your boy" is not playing because of his own stupid fault. If he was so much better than Mays or anyone else, he would have made sure to be the #1 guy and not be a **** up.

Lighten up, Francis. No one is contesting the reason why he isnt playing. He's obviously made some poor choices and the union has somehow agreed to let a viper into its bosom by unwisely giving away the store to the Commissioner. Those are the principal reasons.

But I'm enjoying seeing lonestar get trolled nonetheless.

[bronco militia]

why did the Broncos resign Mays for 3 more years at $12 million?

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by bronco militia

why did the Broncos resign Mays for 3 more years at $12 million?

He is gone next year with a 500k cap hit.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

He is gone next year with a 500k cap hit.

Not so sure about that. 500k cap hit. I say draft his replacement (Te'o!!!) and keep him as a short yardage/goal line/ST guy. In obvious running plays he is a vicious tackler and hitter, and thr majority of his career he has been a standoit special teamer. Plus he is a good character guy.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

Not so sure about that. 500k cap hit. I say draft his replacement (Te'o!!!) and keep him as a short yardage/goal line/ST guy. In obvious running plays he is a vicious tackler and hitter, and thr majority of his career he has been a standoit special teamer. Plus he is a good character guy.

Te'o is out of reach in the draft.