Grade Demaryius Thru 5 weeks

[Ronnie Tsunami]

30 catches, 513 yards, 2 TD
Projected: 96 catches, 1,642 yards, 6 TD

misleading? accurate portrayal of his talents? where does he stand among all WR's?

[bowtown]

GOAT

[theAPAOps5]

I went back and forth between B and C. Those fumbles as a result of bone head lack of ball control give him a C. He'll if he just is more disciplined he is an easy A right now.

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by theAPAOps5

I went back and forth between B and C. Those fumbles as a result of bone head lack of ball control give him a C. He'll if he just is more disciplined he is an easy A right now.

B- would be more accurate I gave him a B. Without those 2 fumbles he would be an elite WR and possibly the only thing mCd did right.

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by theAPAOps5

I went back and forth between B and C. Those fumbles as a result of bone head lack of ball control give him a C. He'll if he just is more disciplined he is an easy A right now.

There is no way with those numbers you could give him a C, even with a few fumbles lost. What was that stat, he's 1 yard out of 1st place in the NFL in yards right now. C? gimmie a break dude.

So with your rule of thought, you could also give Manning a C right now because of all those INT's that cost us the game in ATL and a fumble in the last game that had as much to do with the loss as the fumble by Thomas. No, you don't give Manning a C. In fact, most here would give him an A. So to say Thomas would get a C, those who would cast their vote that way are clueless idiots, plain and simple.

[BroncoBeavis]

Love the kid's upside. But one fumble lost for every 10 catches? 2 directly cost us TD's?

We can't afford those kind of mistakes on the field forever.

[teknic]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Love the kid's upside. But one fumble lost for every 10 catches? 2 directly cost us TD's?

We can't afford those kind of mistakes on the field forever.

Fumbles are a pretty random occurrence in a football game. It sucks that Thomas has put a couple on the ground, but I'm more concerned with the drops that hit him right in the hands. He has had way too many drops on easy, wide open passes.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by teknic

Fumbles are a pretty random occurrence in a football game. It sucks that Thomas has put a couple on the ground, but I'm more concerned with the drops that hit him right in the hands. He has had way too many drops on easy, wide open passes.

He is over looking the fact that one fumble was on the end of the game pitch. Really it should only be 2.

[bowtown]

Originally Posted by bowtown

GOAT

I say important things... never enough credit.

[2KBack]

Are we really counting the "Fumble" during the desperation Lateral drill at the end of the Houston game? Seriously people, that's like giving a QB **** for an INT on a hail mary.

The only bad fumble IMO was the Oakland one. The NE one is hard to put on him, there was no way to secure the ball as the defender had his hands in there. Hell the reason we remember those fumbles is because the guy is just making DB's look like fools out there and he is either schooling people with YAC or burning guys deep.

[maher_tyler]

Those fumbles lowered him to a B. If it were just the 1 against Oakland, i'd still give him an A. 2 of the 3 were game changing fumbles. Without the fumbles without a doubt he'd get an A.

[2KBack]

Originally Posted by maher_tyler

Those fumbles lowered him to a B. If it were just the 1 against Oakland, i'd still give him an A. 2 of the 3 were game changing fumbles. Without the fumbles without a doubt he'd get an A.

Which 2? All the Oakland one did was keep the game within a 40 point margin.

[Rabb]

He has Megatron level talent, just tighten up stupid mistakes and he is right there. C.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

The Mane seriously is the most critical place on Earth. Two fumbles aside, he's been UNREAL

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

The Mane seriously is the most critical place on Earth. Two fumbles aside, he's been UNREAL

Right?!? I don't see how anyone could even consider giving him a C. That's just silly. A B? Okay, understandable. But a C means average and he's way above average. Come on, people. I give anyone who gives him a C or lower an F. You've failed at logic and reasoning.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Right?!? I don't see how anyone could even consider giving him a C. That's just silly. A B? Okay, understandable. But a C means average and he's way above average. Come on, people. I give anyone who gives him a C or lower an F. You've failed at logic and reasoning.

Dude, WR's don't touch the ball every other play. It takes most elite WR years to accumulate 2 or 3 lost fumbles. You'd have to count every game since 2009 to find as many Megatron fumbles as DT just put up in 5 games. Same with Welker. Big Larry hasn't lost a regular season fumble since 2007.

I'm sure he'll improve, but as everyone's said for weeks, turnovers are huge. You can't give a pass to any of the guys handing them out. Especially when it's not a guy who's seeing the ball every play.

[Rabb]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Right?!? I don't see how anyone could even consider giving him a C. That's just silly. A B? Okay, understandable. But a C means average and he's way above average. Come on, people. I give anyone who gives him a C or lower an F. You've failed at logic and reasoning.

So, wanting him to hold onto the ball and have less drops is silly?

Where does C say, he is average?

[2KBack]

Originally Posted by Rabb

So, wanting him to hold onto the ball and have less drops is silly?

Where does C say, he is average?

Wanting him to is fine....he is getting judged pretty harshly though. Officially he has 4 drops this seasons...the same as or fewer than:
Victor Cruz
Jimmy Graham
Jason Witten
Marques Colston
Julio Jones
Jordy Nelson

and only 1 more than:
Calvin Johnson
Wes Welker

Oh yeah, and the league leader over the past few years has been Marshall

[teknic]

Originally Posted by 2KBack

Wanting him to is fine....he is getting judged pretty harshly though. Officially he has 4 drops this seasons...the same as or fewer than:
Victor Cruz
Jimmy Graham
Jason Witten
Marques Colston
Julio Jones
Jordy Nelson

and only 1 more than:
Calvin Johnson
Wes Welker

Oh yeah, and the league leader over the past few years has been Marshall

That still doesn't make his drops acceptable.

He has been running free, without a defender close, and the pass from Manning bounces off his hands. Some of those plays have been third downs that he should have converted, which makes it significantly worse. Simply unacceptable to drop wide open passes. If it hits you in the hands, you catch it.

[Mediator12]

Originally Posted by 2KBack

Wanting him to is fine....he is getting judged pretty harshly though. Officially he has 4 drops this seasons...the same as or fewer than:
Victor Cruz
Jimmy Graham
Jason Witten
Marques Colston
Julio Jones
Jordy Nelson

and only 1 more than:
Calvin Johnson
Wes Welker

Oh yeah, and the league leader over the past few years has been Marshall

Its not just drops, its catch % and routes. He has been sloppy a couple of times and out of sync with Manning. However, that is getting drastically better at both. So, that should improve.

Kid is getting better, but he can play a lot better as well.

[Mediator12]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Right?!? I don't see how anyone could even consider giving him a C. That's just silly. A B? Okay, understandable. But a C means average and he's way above average. Come on, people. I give anyone who gives him a C or lower an F. You've failed at logic and reasoning.

I rarely disagree with you, but here is one I definitely do. He has not played at anything but an Average level overall. He has failed to make too many plays when given plenty of chances and has not made any game changing FAVORABLE plays, while making more than few negative ones.

That, by definition, is playing and executing at an average NFL level to this point. He does have nice numbers to this point, but those numbers have not translated to Wins and conversely he has contributed to the losses way too much.

The good here does not outweigh the bad performance wise. In fact, they cancel each other out IMHO.

In order to explain this better, look at his DYAR and DVOA levels to date. He is ranked 24th in the league in DYAR and 35th in the league in DVOA after 4 games. His 24th ranking in DYAR means he is the 24th most valuable WR in the league who qualifies and the 35th most valuable WR per play. Both are below average for a #1 WR. By contrast Decker is 9th in DYAR and 23rd in DVOA. Stokely is 15th in DYAR and 3rd, yes 3rd, in DVOA.

That makes Thomas the third best WR on the team in performance to date. Not the third best WR, but the third in performance to date.

That is what I am talking about, and hopefully he has nowhere to go but up that list as he gets more ball security and makes more catches when given opportunities.

[2KBack]

Originally Posted by Mediator12

I rarely disagree with you, but here is one I definitely do. He has not played at anything but an Average level overall. He has failed to make too many plays when given plenty of chances and has not made any game changing FAVORABLE plays, while making more than few negative ones.

I don't think that is very accurate. His TD week one was key to that game. His great TD catch in the Falcon game was instrumental in getting us back in the game. He made more than one highlight catch on 3 and 4th down this past Sunday. Those are major contributions and if it weren't for the failings of others could be seen as keys to a comeback victory. I won't argue that the fumble impacted the game, but I do think it is a bit short sighted to then claim that his favorable plays had no impact.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Mediator12

He has not played at anything but an Average level overall. He has failed to make too many plays when given plenty of chances and has not made any game changing FAVORABLE plays, while making more than few negative ones.

That, by definition, is playing and executing at an average NFL level to this point. He does have nice numbers to this point, but those numbers have not translated to Wins and conversely he has contributed to the losses way too much.

The good here does not outweigh the bad performance wise. In fact, they cancel each other out IMHO.

I hear ya. I just think the production (2nd most receiving yards, tied for 11th most catches) outweighs enough of the mistakes to land him an above average grade. But y'all have convinced me that he probably deserves a B instead of and A! I'm probably guilty of over-weighting the most recent game where he was fantastic. I understand the demerits for the fumble in the Pats game but that was a near perfect play by the defender and I have a hard time faulting him for it very much.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Right?!? I don't see how anyone could even consider giving him a C. That's just silly. A B? Okay, understandable. But a C means average and he's way above average. Come on, people. I give anyone who gives him a C or lower an F. You've failed at logic and reasoning.

What he said!!!

[baja]

A for amazing