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Old 10-07-2012, 04:39 PM   #1
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I don't think john fox will make it to 2013 with another 8-8 season.
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Old 10-07-2012, 04:41 PM   #2
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I don't think john fox will make it to 2013 with another 8-8 season.
I didn't like the hiring in the 1st place. But, the season isn't over and the AFC West is total ****. Denver can still rebound and get into the playoffs.
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I didn't like the hiring in the 1st place. But, the season isn't over and the AFC West is total ****. Denver can still rebound and get into the playoffs.
I think we will make the playoffs. Likely we'll lose in the first round because the opponents in the playoffs are good teams.
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No chance. He is literally doing nothing, so nothing he can be blamed for.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:13 PM   #7
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No chance. He is literally doing nothing, so nothing he can be blamed for.
risk averse HC is risk averse.

he's clearly not on the hot seat yet, but i suspect if you put him in a pot of water and put it on slow boil on the stove, he wouldn't figure out what was happening until it was too late to jump out and save himself.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:51 PM   #8
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No chance. He is literally doing nothing, so nothing he can be blamed for.
I lol'd.

I'm not a Fox hater but I DO vehemently dislike his "clock management". I put quotes around it because I think it's mismanagement. The joke is better when I explain it, right?
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If they go 5-11 then maybe, but they need at least one more good draft and free agent period to really get to where they want to go regardless of who is the head coach.
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Do they ever come into the game with a first half game plan? Or do they just want to wait a couple of quarters until Manning figures out the opposing D?
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Do they ever come into the game with a first half game plan? Or do they just want to wait a couple of quarters until Manning figures out the opposing D?
The plan was great. They came out on fire. Unfortunately, I don't think DT fumbling that early reception was part of the plan.
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I guess the sky is falling again in this place. Remember tim tebow was the qb when 1-4
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I guess the sky is falling again in this place. Remember tim tebow was the qb when 1-4
We're 2-3 heading into the grind months of the season. I think there is good reason for people to be concerned. Obviously, we have high expectations. If we could make it to the playoffs last year with Tebow, we should be able to make it this year with Peyton Manning. Anything less is failure - and someone should have to account for that failure. That someone is John Fox.

That said, I like Fox. I think he's a solid coach. I expect to see the team bounce back. The Patriots are a Superbowl calibre team, and while they had the edge on us all game long, we stayed competitive. But being competitive is not our goal - making the playoffs is.
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We're 2-3 heading into the grind months of the season. I think there is good reason for people to be concerned. Obviously, we have high expectations. If we could make it to the playoffs last year with Tebow, we should be able to make it this year with Peyton Manning. Anything less is failure - and someone should have to account for that failure. That someone is John Fox.

That said, I like Fox. I think he's a solid coach. I expect to see the team bounce back. The Patriots are a Superbowl calibre team, and while they had the edge on us all game long, we stayed competitive. But being competitive is not our goal - making the playoffs is.
We all knew the schedule had 2 parts, the tough part which is the first 7 games and the easy part which is the last 9. I always felt that if we could get to 4-4 we could end up 11-5 just by winning games we would be favoured to win.

I think Fox has improved the team tremendously over the last season and a half, the defense is playing better now than it has been for many years and the offense is playing well without surprising anyone. In every of the 3 games we have lost, a few personal mistakes have been the difference between winning and losing. Against Atlanta the 3 early picks made all the difference - against Houston some defensive miscues and agains New England some careless turnovers. Those individual mistakes is not something a head coach can eliminate - does Manning throw 3 picks in every game? no, he has only thrown those 3 all season. Does Porter and Adams mess up coverage in every game? no they have done much better in other games. Does Mcgahee cost us 2 turnovers in every game?

A lot of pressure will be relieved when we beat up San Diego, people will start to realize that we lost to some very good teams and fortunately we don't have a whole lot of good teams left on the menu - we have lost 3 and that is certainly 1 more than I had hoped for, but the season is not over - far from it. Just remember that we are not the Chiefs, Raiders, Bills, Browns or Bucs - we are in fact a good team that has played good football in every game we have played.
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We're 2-3 heading into the grind months of the season. I think there is good reason for people to be concerned. Obviously, we have high expectations. If we could make it to the playoffs last year with Tebow, we should be able to make it this year with Peyton Manning. Anything less is failure - and someone should have to account for that failure. That someone is John Fox.

That said, I like Fox. I think he's a solid coach. I expect to see the team bounce back. The Patriots are a Superbowl calibre team, and while they had the edge on us all game long, we stayed competitive. But being competitive is not our goal - making the playoffs is.
Another thing to consider is why Manning chose Denver and you gotta think that Fox had something to do with this choice. I doubt Manning signed up for a coaching carousel.
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I think Fox has been a great coach. I mean we all know he is a run the ball heavy kinda guy but he was willing to realize that Peyton in the bomb thrower so he lets him do as he pleases. He doesn't jump around on the field like a monkey. I also think he prepares the guys pretty well.

I don't see him going anywhere.
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Another thing to consider is why Manning chose Denver and you gotta think that Fox had something to do with this choice. I doubt Manning signed up for a coaching carousel.
This is an extremely strong point. Repped.

On a similar note, I think we need to account the clout of Manning himself. While I agree that he didn't sign up for a coaching carousel, if we miss the playoffs and Peyton tells Elway he thinks it was due to poor coaching etc, well....
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This is an extremely strong point. Repped.

On a similar note, I think we need to account the clout of Manning himself. While I agree that he didn't sign up for a coaching carousel, if we miss the playoffs and Peyton tells Elway he thinks it was due to poor coaching etc, well....
True but, Elway said, day 1 we need more then Manning to win SB so I doubt new HC would happen. I think Manning respects Fox too much to throw him under the bus.

I expect Tom Moore to come on board next year as OC

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This is an extremely strong point. Repped.

On a similar note, I think we need to account the clout of Manning himself. While I agree that he didn't sign up for a coaching carousel, if we miss the playoffs and Peyton tells Elway he thinks it was due to poor coaching etc, well....

Exactly. This is clearly Peyton Manning's team. I don't think he's panicked at this point. And like gyldenlove says - the easy part of our schedule is the last half. If we're losing games then, I think Fox will come into question. I doubt he's in any hot seat at this point. But that said, playoffs are the expectation.
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We're 2-3 heading into the grind months of the season. I think there is good reason for people to be concerned. Obviously, we have high expectations. If we could make it to the playoffs last year with Tebow, we should be able to make it this year with Peyton Manning. Anything less is failure - and someone should have to account for that failure. That someone is John Fox.

That said, I like Fox. I think he's a solid coach. I expect to see the team bounce back. The Patriots are a Superbowl calibre team, and while they had the edge on us all game long, we stayed competitive. But being competitive is not our goal - making the playoffs is.
It is hard to win games vs playoff teams on the road. Especially when you turn it over 3 times.

Fox is fine. If we execute we win.
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It is hard to win games vs playoff teams on the road. Especially when you turn it over 3 times.

Fox is fine. If we execute we win.
Exactly.

We could be undefeated if we executed. But, we haven't been efficient enough. I look for that to change in the second half of the season.
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We're 2-3 heading into the grind months of the season. I think there is good reason for people to be concerned. Obviously, we have high expectations. If we could make it to the playoffs last year with Tebow, we should be able to make it this year with Peyton Manning. Anything less is failure - and someone should have to account for that failure. That someone is John Fox.

That said, I like Fox. I think he's a solid coach. I expect to see the team bounce back. The Patriots are a Superbowl calibre team, and while they had the edge on us all game long, we stayed competitive. But being competitive is not our goal - making the playoffs is.
The problem is that if this team doesn't make the playoffs it will be because glaring personnel weaknesses went mostly unaddressed. If Fox were an all-powerful GM/HC type, then yeah, you could blame Fox.

But this team's biggest failure was the "Manning is all that matters" offseason. And that's completely on the Front Office. And now that we've got a two to three year window, there's no time for superficial fall guys. Foxy is locked in for as long as the PMFM experiment rolls.

McCoy's the only one who's fair game I think (or maybe wish/hope ) He's now got maybe the best QB to ever play the game. No more excuses.
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The problem is that if this team doesn't make the playoffs it will be because glaring personnel weaknesses went mostly unaddressed. If Fox were an all-powerful GM/HC type, then yeah, you could blame Fox.

But this team's biggest failure was the "Manning is all that matters" offseason. And that's completely on the Front Office. And now that we've got a two to three year window, there's no time for superficial fall guys. Foxy is locked in for as long as the PMFM experiment rolls.

McCoy's the only one who's fair game I think (or maybe wish/hope ) He's now got maybe the best QB to ever play the game. No more excuses.
We are 2 NFL Caliber LB's away from being dominant again, we could use another DT also. This should be a Defensive draft this year.

Next year should be the 13-3 year with a deep playoff run.
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We are 2 NFL Caliber LB's away from being dominant again, we could use another DT also. This should be a Defensive draft this year.

Next year should be the 13-3 year with a deep playoff run.
I agree. But we could've (should've) taken at least one step in that direction this year.

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We're 2-3 heading into the grind months of the season. I think there is good reason for people to be concerned. Obviously, we have high expectations. If we could make it to the playoffs last year with Tebow, we should be able to make it this year with Peyton Manning. Anything less is failure - and someone should have to account for that failure. That someone is John Fox.

That said, I like Fox. I think he's a solid coach. I expect to see the team bounce back. The Patriots are a Superbowl calibre team, and while they had the edge on us all game long, we stayed competitive. But being competitive is not our goal - making the playoffs is.
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