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Old 10-03-2012, 03:53 PM   #1
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Default Derek Wolfe was a non factor against Oakland

Just my observations from rewatching every defensive snap Wolfe played against the Raiders Week 4.

I hadn't really paid much attention to him before so I wanted to see what kind of game he put in.

Alignment: Wolfe played all over the DL. RDE/LDE, both DT slots. The only time he didn't stay on the field was when he was obviously gassed or we went to Psycho Fronts with the Front 7 standing up.

1st step off the snap: This is where Wolfe disapointed the most. Regardless of where he lined up, who he lined up against, he was consistently the slowest DL in his first step. I won't compare him to Dumervil because that's just unfair but Vickerson/Unrein and even Bannan had a quicker first step than Wolfe.

Like I said I haven't tracked his individual play from weeks 1-3 so I can't compare historically but in this game he was just, well, hesitant.

Positives: Was very stout against the run, didn't give up his ground even when up against two blockers. Contained his gap very well when he couldn't penetrate. But we didn't really get this guy to stop the run I guess.

Negatives: Just really his first step. It was all just a mash after that. Because he was slower with no snap/explosiveness he didn't get the right body lean, leverage, and positioning to do much to get past his blocker(s).

I'M NOT calling him a bust. Just stating what I saw, anyone else is welcome to rewatch the game or provide their thoughts on what they saw from week 1-3.


EDIT: Even when we were up two scores and the DL had free license to rush the QB he still was our slowest DLman out there.

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Old 10-03-2012, 03:54 PM   #2
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Now the DT that REALLY stood out from our group was Vickerson.

Very quick first step for a 320 lb guy, gets good leverage, and hand placement and just bull rushes like a freight train. He was active in the back field almost every single snap he logged. Easily our best DT.
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He's a rookie.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:00 PM   #4
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He's a rookie.
You could be right. Maybe he was just not anticipating the snap (Dumervil's consistently great at doing that).

Maybe he was carrying an injury.

Or maybe he just played slow, like Ayers did in his rookie season.

The only time I would expect a rookie DE/DT to play hesitant or slow is if he's having to read and react (ie read the play on whether to drop back into coverage) but he wasn't asked to do that at all.
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Not to disprove your theory but... He was the tackler on the near saftey at the goal line.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:42 PM   #6
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Not to disprove your theory but... He was the tackler on the near saftey at the goal line.
You're not. It was Vickerson that pushed his guy right into the backfield and clogged the interior which forced the runner outside right into Wolfe who did a job of tackling.

The trigger man on the play was Vickerson.

I'm not really looking at Wolfe as a run stopper first (we can already do that with Ayers at DE), but as a pass rusher.

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Old 10-03-2012, 04:43 PM   #7
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Wolfe is someone who actually could have a big game Sunday..this is not your older brother's Patriots O Line..

very much in transition..Light retired, Waters is a head case, and is chillin' on the couch, I think we know where Koppen will be on Sunday, and Mankins is nicked up..
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The NFL's drug testing policies are tougher than previously thought. Still working on a way around it.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:39 PM   #9
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Stout against the run. Yeah how disappointing we haven't needed that in years.
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Elaborate, please.

Does Wolfe have a history of testing positive?
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:23 AM   #11
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Does Wolfe have a history of testing positive?
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actually sometimes on DL isn't supposed to try and get a big first step. Especially vs a zone blocking team like the Raiders. I think Wolfe has looked pretty good for a rookie, but he could hit some walls as the season progresses
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actually sometimes on DL isn't supposed to try and get a big first step. Especially vs a zone blocking team like the Raiders. I think Wolfe has looked pretty good for a rookie, but he could hit some walls as the season progresses
That was Bannan's role. He was lined up one yard off the line of scrimmage consistently for that.
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That was Bannan's role. He was lined up one yard off the line of scrimmage consistently for that.
Holy Hell. You are JDR, aren't you?!
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That was Bannan's role. He was lined up one yard off the line of scrimmage consistently for that.
Yeah I was just throwing it out there. Honestly I didn't watch just him enough to say. He didn't stick out in the game for either having offensive players run by him, or for making a lot of plays. Broncos bring a lot of outside pressure. There is a chance they have the end not fire off as fast so he has better chance at containing the play. Not saying that is what was happening I have no idea really lol.
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I don't agree, he was dictating quite a few plays towards the edge...letting Doom and Von do work.
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always someone trying to piss on someone parade..

how about we wait to see how the rest of the year goes..

there is always someone running around yelling the sky is falling..
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:11 PM   #18
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always someone trying to piss on someone parade..

how about we wait to see how the rest of the year goes..

there is always someone running around yelling the sky is falling..
Who's saying the sky is falling? The title says he was anon-factor at Oakland. I wouldn't say he was complete non-factor in the raider game but he's a rook, and I'm happy with his game right now.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:19 PM   #19
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:52 AM   #20
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In all seriousness though, he looked pretty good on run stuffing and I think had more to do on the near safety then fontaine is giving him credit for.

I don't think he was a stand out but I don't think he had any sort of lack of performance warranting a thread.
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1st drive:
1. RDT - double-teamed, play went opposite way
2. RDE - slight penetration, play went opposite way
3. LDT - got past his man, converging on QB before the throw
4. RDE - bull-rushed LT straight towards QB, collapsing pocket made Palmer rush his throw
5. LDE - effectively sealed the edge on a run play that went up the middle
6. RDT - 3rd and 5 - double-teamed, Palmer had to throw the ball away from pressure by Dumervil

2nd drive:
1. RDE - unblocked, play went to the other side
2. RDT - screen pass Wolfe only DL in pursuit of ball carrier
3. RDT - triple-teamed
4. LDE - double-teamed, gets penetration into the backfield forcing McFaddon cut-back, holding called on LG
5. RDT - ballcarrier runs directly through gap between Wolfe and Miller, Woodyard missed the tackle on the LOS
6. LDT - double-teamed, allowing Mike Adams to come untouched around the left-side, resulting in long bomb incompletion where Denaryius Moore had Bailey beat
7. 3rd and 12 (Wolfe not in) - Psycho front blitz

3rd drive:
1. LDT - Wolfe beats the RT, and makes contact with the ballcarrier 3 yards behind the LOS (on the 1/2 yard line)...tackling him in the endzone
2. RDT - LT is effective in stopping Wolfe
3. LDT - 3rd and 2 - complete jailbreak by the Defense...ballcarrier almost picks up 1st down after dodging entire Broncos D.

4th drive:
1. LDE - run to opposite side
2. RDE - double-teamed, Palmer is pressured by Dumervil
3. RDE - 3rd and 2 - double-teamed, play-action fake where Palmer rolls out to the right...being belted by Dumervil, leaving his arm bloody
4. LDE - double-teamed driving both OL into the backfield 3 yards, causing McFaddon to cut back for 1 yard-gain
5. RDT - slight driving penetration, Palmer completes 37 yard bomb with perfect coverage by Porter
6. LDE - Audible by Palmer in I-formation to run over LG. I think he changed it to run away from Wolfe. Minimal gain.
7. (Wolfe not in)
8. 3rd and 3 - (Wolfe not in)

End of Half

5th drive:
1. RDT - slight outside pressure, Palmer throws it away with perfect coverage by Bailey
2. RDT - run play away from Wolfe, over right side, picks up 5 yards
3. RDT - 3rd and 5 - double-teamed, slight inside pressure, with pocket collapsing, completion short of 1st down

6th drive:
1. RDT - double-teamed, screen pass is snuffed out to the right for a loss of 4
2. RDT - triple-teamed, still manages to pressure Palmer, forcing a long incompletion
3. 3rd and 14 (Wolfe not in) - Palmer calls a time-out facing psycho front
4. 3rd and 14 (Wolfe not in) - Adams drops sure int
5. blocked punt

7th drive:
1. LDT (in 5 front) - running play over LG for minimal gain
2. RDT - running play over RT for 5
3. RDT - 3rd and 2 - double-teamed, jail-break on left side, Miller tackles runner for a loss

8th drive:
1. RDT - Wolfe beats the LG on the outside forcing Palmer to step up and shovel pass for a 1-yard loss
2. RDT - triple-teamed (actually beats it), but Unrein is allowed to run free towards Palmer, causing him to throw the ball into the ground.
3. 3rd and 11 (Wolfe not in) - Psycho front, delay of game on Offense.
4. 3rd and 16 (Wolfe not in) - Psycho front, incompletion

9th drive:
1. RDT - Wolfe get's good pressure as entire pocket collapses around Palmer resulting in incompletion
2. RDT - double-teamed, Palmer gets 1st first down of 2nd half
3. RDT - double-teamed, Woodyard also slips double-team for the sack
4. (Wolfe not in) - Psycho front, Palmer hog-tied and body slammed by Von Miller
5. LDE - 3rd and 12 - Psycho front, Wolfe rushes up the middle, screen play for a loss

10th drive:
1. RDT - double-teamed, Palmer hit again by Miller
2. RDT - Psycho front, his assignment is to stay back and play the middle of the field
3. RDT - 3rd and 10 - double-teamed
4. LDT - 4th down - double-teamed, blitz, Palmer hit again
5. LDT - double-teamed, run for 13
6. LDT - forces false start of RG
7. (Wolfe not in) - Psycho front, pressured, Palmer throws it away
8. (Wolfe not in) - Psycho front, 1st down
9. (Wolfe not in) - Psycho front, incomplete, roughing the passer Ayers
10. RDE - Psycho front, Wolfe drops back into coverage
11. RDE - double-teamed, Dumervil has a strip sack of Palmer from the left side
12. RDT - 3rd and 18 - pass no gain
13. (Wolfe not in) - 4th down...game over

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Who's saying the sky is falling? The title says he was anon-factor at Oakland. I wouldn't say he was complete non-factor in the raider game but he's a rook, and I'm happy with his game right now.
well in actuallity he did not say teh sky was falling..

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Negatives: Just really his first step. It was all just a mash after that. Because he was slower with no snap/explosiveness he didn't get the right body lean, leverage, and positioning to do much to get past his blocker(s).



EDIT: Even when we were up two scores and the DL had free license to rush the QB he still was our slowest DLman out there
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IMO that sounds like chicken little..
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According to this he played poorly against Atlanta as well:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...y-team-week-2/
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well in actuallity he did not say teh sky was falling..

he said

IMO that sounds like chicken little..
I don't really care about opinions. Yours or what you think of mine.

I'm looking for what the film in the trenches tells me. I didn't watch him specifically in the first three weeks and wanted to know what others saw based on his play.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:27 PM   #25
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Who's saying the sky is falling? The title says he was anon-factor at Oakland. I wouldn't say he was complete non-factor in the raider game but he's a rook, and I'm happy with his game right now.
I agree, making some good observations. I imagine Wolfe will be a non-factor alot of this season.
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