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Old 09-01-2012, 10:36 AM   #1
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What is Millerís ceiling? How good can he become? I asked Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. whether he thinks Miller can become the gameís next well-rounded star at linebacker. His response was eye-popping. Williamson has been in NFL buildings. He knows scouting. He does not major in hyperbole. Iíve always found his analysis of players to be level-headed and without nonsense.

So when Williamson said ďMillerís ceiling is being the very best defensive player in the NFL and a Hall of Famer,Ē I didnít take it lightly.

The Broncosí coaches love that Miller feels the urgent need to become a complete player. They know they have a star on their hands. They love that Miller doesnít act like one.

ďVon Miller is a young player with a lot of talent that is only scratching the surface right now,Ē new Broncos defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio said. ďHe could be phenomenal; he just needs to continue to work.Ē

Added Fox: ďThe sky really is the limit. He can be as good as he wants to be, and Von wants to be really good.Ē

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Glad that Von isn't content on being a "one trick pony" ala derrick thomas. Instead he's working hard to become a complete player one worthy of comparison to Lawrence Taylor.






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Mike Croel, Denver LB, 1991: 84 tackles, 10 sacks
Von Miller, Denver LB, 2011: 51 tackles, 11.5 sacks

Great rookie season, but your career is just beginning, Mr. Miller -- still a lot for you to learn....
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Mike Croel, Denver LB, 1991: 84 tackles, 10 sacks
Von Miller, Denver LB, 2011: 51 tackles, 11.5 sacks

Great rookie season, but your career is just beginning, Mr. Miller -- still a lot for you to learn....

What is Millerís ceiling? How good can he become? I asked Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. whether he thinks Miller can become the gameís next well-rounded star at linebacker. His response was eye-popping. Williamson has been in NFL buildings. He knows scouting. He does not major in hyperbole. Iíve always found his analysis of players to be level-headed and without nonsense.




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What is Millerís ceiling? How good can he become? I asked Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. whether he thinks Miller can become the gameís next well-rounded star at linebacker. His response was eye-popping. Williamson has been in NFL buildings. He knows scouting. He does not major in hyperbole. Iíve always found his analysis of players to be level-headed and without nonsense.




OMG Rob! Did you call Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc.? Seems you did with your post. Why don't you put the link again so we all know this is from the blog and not your opinion.
ORRRRRRR, why don't you actually put your opinion in the post instead of doing the cut n paste variety. You actually came back to this thread to answer a poster's question from not yourself but a blurb from the linked article. OMG! Seriously, try doing something different. It might help. At least link the article again as it isn't an original thought by you. Then again, is there ever when starting a thread (and now just posting in it). What a bot.
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OMG Rob! Did you call Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc.? Seems you did with your post. Why don't you put the link again so we all know this is from the blog and not your opinion.
ORRRRRRR, why don't you actually put your opinion in the post instead of doing the cut n paste variety. You actually came back to this thread to answer a poster's question from not yourself but a blurb from the linked article. OMG! Seriously, try doing something different. It might help. At least link the article again as it isn't an original thought by you. Then again, is there ever when starting a thread (and now just posting in it). What a bot.

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It goes without saying that barring injury, I think he's headed for the HOF.

Nice pic I got of him during the game against the 69ers --

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It goes without saying that barring injury, I think he's headed for the HOF.

Nice pic I got of him during the game against the 69ers --

Attitude!

Read post #2. Holy crapola ! SOme of you are freaks. Have any of you heard one hit wonders? Or how about players that spring right from the beginning and then have average to good careers and never will ever be thought of as a HOF? I love Von but I don't belittle the actual HOFers or guys that have played 5 years in the NFL. Patience grasshopper.
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I love Von, but for me, I already expect him to play great week in and week out. It's kind of like Champ - you just expect it.


I really want to see the d-line explode this year, that's our key to going deeper than one game in the playoffs.
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:07 PM   #9
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I expect Von to challenge the season record for most sacks at some point in his career, his arsenal of moves combined with his athletic ability will overwhelm a lot of players. A coaching staff dedicated to putting him in good situations and his own desire to be the best will put him over the top.

I love that he spend time this offseason with a number of top pass rushers working on moves and getting tips for how to attack different people and situations.
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I expect 30 sacks from VonDoom this year.
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I expect a lot more turnovers and interceptions because of VonDoom.

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unless we're blitzing alot or are playing with a big lead 10-15 is what I expect from miller
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It is about time that OCs start doubling up on the blockers for him hemwillmstill get sacks but doubt he will,lead the league until we get a couple more top flight Dl players that are not one year rentals.

I like what I see from him lets hope he does not go the Ashely, poorti$$$$ route and get A big head and demand a new contract ..
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It is about time that OCs start doubling up on the blockers for him hemwillmstill get sacks but doubt he will,lead the league until we get a couple more top flight Dl players that are not one year rentals.

I like what I see from him lets hope he does not go the Ashely, poorti$$$$ route and get A big head and demand a new contract ..
Lelie should have fired his agent after that stupid move but Ashley thought he was better than he really was and the Broncos knew it. If he stuck around, he would have been known as a Bronco for life, commercials, possible staff job with the team, etc. Now, he was a journey man and no one would claim him except Hawaii, his school. Reality check. You think you are a #1 and then you leave and you are no better than a #3.
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Lelie should have fired his agent after that stupid move but Ashley thought he was better than he really was and the Broncos knew it. If he stuck around, he would have been known as a Bronco for life, commercials, possible staff job with the team, etc. Now, he was a journey man and no one would claim him except Hawaii, his school. Reality check. You think you are a #1 and then you leave and you are no better than a #3.
Made some great catches almost all if them out of bounds or in the end zone where he could not be tackled.
I think he was afraid of getting hit. Being from the old WAC he was a man amount boys no cb could cover him and he was fast enough no one caught him..

But then everyone in the NFL was as good as he was
Ask him to go over the middle he had alligator arms. What a waste of a DAFT choice.
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Lelie should have fired his agent after that stupid move but Ashley thought he was better than he really was and the Broncos knew it. If he stuck around, he would have been known as a Bronco for life, commercials, possible staff job with the team, etc. Now, he was a journey man and no one would claim him except Hawaii, his school. Reality check. You think you are a #1 and then you leave and you are no better than a #3.
Made some great catches almost all if them out of bounds or in the end zone where he could not be tackled.
I think he was afraid of getting hit. Being from the old WAC he was a man amount boys no cb could cover him and he was fast enough no one caught him..

But then everyone in the NFL was as good as he was
Ask him to go over the middle he had alligator arms. What a waste of a DAFT choice.
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Made some great catches almost all if them out of bounds or in the end zone where he could not be tackled.
I think he was afraid of getting hit. Being from the old WAC he was a man amount boys no cb could cover him and he was fast enough no one caught him..

But then everyone in the NFL was as good as he was
Ask him to go over the middle he had alligator arms. What a waste of a DAFT choice.
Lelie ran a lot of post, go's or Flag routes but Plummer couldn't hit him in stride. We still had 2 good TE's to run drags with, a HOF like Sharpe and Carswell. Lelie spread out a lot of good D's and gave our Zone scheme to pickup chunks of yardage on the ground.

Lelie's only mistake was thinking he was really a #1 WR and deserved the money. If Jake could have got the Ball to him in stride he would have had even more stats, as it was Lelie was forced to wait for balls which were underthrown to come down. When Lelie was with us he performed well. We was fine until he started listening to his "friends" who said that he should be paid as a #1 WR.

Lone Star makes it sound like Lelie was a total bust, when, in fact, Lelie was a great 2nd or 3rd WR with us, he had years of 500+, 600+, 1,000+, 700+ with 13 tds, and YPR of 20 in 2004

Lelie was far from a bust, he got better every year up until his last with us and he was hurt in 2005, he missed 3 games. 2004 was a monster year for a 2nd WR. He was far from a bust. Once he left Shanahan's scheme he disappeared and his stats fell off the map bouncing around to 3 teams trying to recapture what worked for him in Denver.

Glad we have DT, Decker, Stokely, Willis in our stable now. Back then it was Rod, Eddie (who was losing effectiveness after breaking his leg), and then Leslie. Shanny had to draft Leslie for need and it actually did work out during his tenure. He was no Ed Reed but could have been even better with a QB like Cutler throwing to him Deep or even with Marshall on the other side helping him out... We really needed Lelie in 2006 vs San Fran. I was there and our WR's were crap and could not get seperation or deep.
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Lelie ran a lot of post, go's or Flag routes but Plummer couldn't hit him in stride. We still had 2 good TE's to run drags with, a HOF like Sharpe and Carswell. Lelie spread out a lot of good D's and gave our Zone scheme to pickup chunks of yardage on the ground.

Lelie's only mistake was thinking he was really a #1 WR and deserved the money. If Jake could have got the Ball to him in stride he would have had even more stats, as it was Lelie was forced to wait for balls which were underthrown to come down. When Lelie was with us he performed well. We was fine until he started listening to his "friends" who said that he should be paid as a #1 WR.

Lone Star makes it sound like Lelie was a total bust, when, in fact, Lelie was a great 2nd or 3rd WR with us, he had years of 500+, 600+, 1,000+, 700+ with 13 tds, and YPR of 20 in 2004

Lelie was far from a bust, he got better every year up until his last with us and he was hurt in 2005, he missed 3 games. 2004 was a monster year for a 2nd WR. He was far from a bust. Once he left Shanahan's scheme he disappeared and his stats fell off the map bouncing around to 3 teams trying to recapture what worked for him in Denver.

Glad we have DT, Decker, Stokely, Willis in our stable now. Back then it was Rod, Eddie (who was losing effectiveness after breaking his leg), and then Leslie. Shanny had to draft Leslie for need and it actually did work out during his tenure. He was no Ed Reed but could have been even better with a QB like Cutler throwing to him Deep or even with Marshall on the other side helping him out... We really needed Lelie in 2006 vs San Fran. I was there and our WR's were crap and could not get seperation or deep.
Exactly how many of his catches over the middle do you remember.?

I stand by my post for a number one pick at 19 with the following WRs taken after him
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20	Green Bay Packers 	Javon Walker 	WR 	Florida State
33 	Houston Texans 	Jabar Gaffney 	WR 	Florida
both of which were better long term players..

IMO he was a bust..
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Lelie ran a lot of post, go's or Flag routes but Plummer couldn't hit him in stride. We still had 2 good TE's to run drags with, a HOF like Sharpe and Carswell. Lelie spread out a lot of good D's and gave our Zone scheme to pickup chunks of yardage on the ground.

Lelie's only mistake was thinking he was really a #1 WR and deserved the money. If Jake could have got the Ball to him in stride he would have had even more stats, as it was Lelie was forced to wait for balls which were underthrown to come down. When Lelie was with us he performed well. We was fine until he started listening to his "friends" who said that he should be paid as a #1 WR.

Lone Star makes it sound like Lelie was a total bust, when, in fact, Lelie was a great 2nd or 3rd WR with us, he had years of 500+, 600+, 1,000+, 700+ with 13 tds, and YPR of 20 in 2004

Lelie was far from a bust, he got better every year up until his last with us and he was hurt in 2005, he missed 3 games. 2004 was a monster year for a 2nd WR. He was far from a bust. Once he left Shanahan's scheme he disappeared and his stats fell off the map bouncing around to 3 teams trying to recapture what worked for him in Denver.
Lelie was really good at what he did. He ran a great go route he was able to out jump the defender and make a lot of plays. The other routes not so much but he was not a bust. A bust is someone that does not contribute and gets cut. Lelie was nto a bust. He just wasn't a complete player and your right Plummer wasn't the best QB for him either.

Headsup Lonestar does not know much of what he talks about.
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Lelie should have fired his agent after that stupid move but Ashley thought he was better than he really was and the Broncos knew it. If he stuck around, he would have been known as a Bronco for life, commercials, possible staff job with the team, etc. Now, he was a journey man and no one would claim him except Hawaii, his school. Reality check. You think you are a #1 and then you leave and you are no better than a #3.
I never understood Lelie's butt-hurtedness over bringing Walker in.

What a baby.
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I never understood Lelie's butt-hurtedness over bringing Walker in.

What a baby.
Love to have someone interview him now on if he had any regrets. He was a #2 guy when Walker came in but decided to leave for being, as you say, butthurt and then quickly found out in Atlanta and SF that he was only worth a #3 or #4 at those places. I don't think he was even as closely as bad as Lonestar wants to make him but he had it good here. I really think it would have been nice to have Walker and Lelie playing a few years together.
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Von Miller's ceiling is becoming a being of pure energy, a blue and orange giant bestriding the field and vaporizing quarterbacks with atomic energy blasts from his fingertips.
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Glad that Von isn't content on being a "one trick pony" ala derrick thomas. Instead he's working hard to become a complete player one worthy of comparison to Lawrence Taylor.






I'll gladly take a Derrick Thomas type career.
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