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Old 10-04-2011, 10:14 PM   #1
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Does this one have the hotline calls?
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Just finished. Super smooth cover up on my disconnect!

There was SOOOOO much I wanted to talk about that I'm somewhat all over the place. Regardless, thanks again, it was an absolute blast and looking forward to it again sometime.
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Just finished. Super smooth cover up on my disconnect!

There was SOOOOO much I wanted to talk about that I'm somewhat all over the place. Regardless, thanks again, it was an absolute blast and looking forward to it again sometime.
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Gentlemen,

That was solid. It was not without quake from a production perspective (I'm sure Popps will have all sorts of things to fine tune because of his infinite experience) but it was your best delivery via Voice, of an intelligent representation of 'The Mane' and it's culture, yet.

As I mentioned to TJ on PM, I was waiting with bated breath. Because I tend to scan the forum and don't always pick up on the details and nuisances of personality that you all seem to already understand about each other, it has been awesome to put voice to User Name/Avatar.

What I have enjoyed most about this project in general, is not only the effort but to understand the personalities of some of the more involved, intelligent and informed vein of 'The Mane'.

As social media is becoming a cornerstone of our culture, many of the general complaints about 'The Mane' and it's ability to harbor intelligent discussion ("Like Back in the Day") can be over-come (IMO) with this type of media. There will always be the jackasses but if the leadership that makes 'The Mane' what it is, an "informed community", it will continue to improve.

I adore the concept of that idea continuing. TJ, Montrose, SoCal, Kaylore, thanks a million for the effort. TJ, I applaud your efforts to get your guest "The Rev" on. I'm biased because I suggested it but I really think it added to what this place is really all about. Thanks Rev. I'd be happy to listen to the long story if you're ever inclined. More to come....

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The pod cast have been the best addition to the site since Boob Mojo.
Very well conceived T.J. and now you are forced to do these forever ! .
Rev , Socal and Kaylore was always 3 of my favorites here and it's hilarious to hear their takes.
God if only Mock was still here for these it would have been epic.


But well done guys.
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Nice job, guys. Really enjoyed listening to this.
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So how many people are following Raj on Twitter?

Great job guys!
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Not enough baby!

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Unfortunately I have to agree the tone was overly negative for my taste.
I was thinking about this earlier. First and foremost, I need to remind myself the vast difference in audience between terrestrial radio and podcasting for a fan forum, the sophistication is just on another level. With that, I'd classify "bad radio" as hosts specifically trying to elicit an emotion from their listeners by picking on a game, player, coach, etc. In this instance, a large-picture issue of the state of the organization and its structure came about naturally without pre-planning (which generally makes for the best conversation) and their were some legitimate concerns brought up that were supported by anecdotes and examples. In addition, it was on a topic rarely if ever discussed on main-stream formats so I found it fresh and unique for one show. I suppose a natural follow-up could be a rebuttal (from you maybe?) on why the organization IS (or may be) moving in the right direction, why the structure IS (or may be) appropriate to rebuild the franchise, etc.

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I was surprised Raj brought Shanny up more than the three of you combined.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't bring it up because the other three co-hosts are massive fans of Shanny - it was obviously something everybody on this site knows and considering how much the landscape has changed I thought it was appropriate to bring up in those situations to get their take on him - especially considering the "big picture" undertone that this show took opposed to the recap last week's game and get ready for this week's contest feel we've had the last few weeks.

With that, I've certainly noticed a paradigm shift on my behalf, overally I'm as emotionally uninvested to the team as any time in the last 15 years - despite the fact I spend more time around it than ever. There are a few reasons for that: the obvious one being the professional change my life as undertaken but also there's the factors of getting older, life re-priortization, etc. As I look back on my feelings in 2008/2009 I realize so much of what I believed and the way I interpreted those feelings was based on heavy emotion. As I stand back now and look at other team's decisions (in all sports) without that connection I realize that making rash decisions based on that emotion may not be for the best.

For example, a co-worker of mine who is a Red Sox fan was so charged up after their collapse he championed the exit of Terry Francona and I could only equate that to the way I felt in 2008 after the collapse here in Denver. Now while I would disagree with Taco that I remain unsold that the foundation here was on its way to greatness, I can clearly say that logically it made more sense to continue moving in that direction based on the evidence at that time. I was clouded by emotion, and suddenly the emotion took over my logic and I was happy about the change and rallied with belief around the new one despite the fact I was relatively content with it until about mid-way through 2008 and only after the firing began to self-justify why this was a wise move.

Obviously my emotionally-charged logic has been proven wrong and again while I'm not sold in the least the Broncos were on their way to competing for another Super Bowl, it certainly would've made more logical sense at the minimum to wait a few more days if not weeks before making any decision, putting more thought and structure to any potential change if it were to happen and finally considering the long-range financial and structural impact of making these massive moves so close to a pending NFL lockout and shift in the league's structure.

Obviously it's easy now as a Monday Morning QB, but I can now look at that instance and think to myself that if I could go back in time and advise Joe Ellis on what to do - I'd say, "It's not the greatest time, give him one more year to see the improvement but maybe put a little heat on him." If the 2009 season had shown little change or even a step back - it would've made more sense in a lot of ways. And there's always the chance (some, but not me, would argue inevitiability) that they would've made massive improvements in scoring offense, eliminating turnovers and overall defense - putting the franchise on the door steps of competing for another Super Bowl.

I'd say my line of thought has shifted quite a bit there as I become less of a fan each day and more of a story-teller/observer. In a way it's sad because this is what I've always wanted to do - and now I'm doing it - but you realize how it it's not as much "fun" as you'd think covering a football team would be. Then a wait a minute and think about all the ****ty jobs I and others have had and realize that giving up "fanhood" is well worth getting paid to bull**** about sports all day for a living.

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Btw, for Montrose, you asked me a question specifically last night and I was really so dumbfounded about it I couldn't put it into the appropriate words, but I think this might.

Regarding when you were comparing Champ to Harris and Lloyd to Willis about "best chance to win" and the gap between them and contrasting it with Orton and Tebow and the gap between them potentially being even bigger:

Who's more talented, Champ or Harris?

Who's more talented, Lloyd or Willis?

Who's more talented, Orton or Tebow?

...and the gap between them might be bigger than the other spots.

That's awesome. I desperately, desperately wish you could call into some Denver-sports stations. I'd venture to say 75%-plus of the talent in town either directly says or at least implies that anyone thinking Tebow could actually play at the NFL is a moronic fan that doesn't understand football and unfortantly, the majority of callers come across that way and those that don't get so angry and abrasive they're cut off quickly and dropped. These shows need to hear from a fan with a greater football IQ than them who can control his emotions and eliquently explain why Tebow not only could play but is a better option than Orton.

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Awesome, well done. I've had a chance to listen to it last night.
Where was Kaylore?
I thought he was supposed to be one of the regulars along with Raj?
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Awesome, well done. I've had a chance to listen to it last night.
Where was Kaylore?
I thought he was supposed to be one of the regulars along with Raj?

I think Kaylore was watching Dancing With the Stars.
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Thankfully not! We had a dinner appointment with a couple of friends and I had dessert duty. It was an apple pie with strudel and was delicious, though I didn't let it cool completely and it ate like a cobbler.

I am sorry I missed this week. I love this format and am listening now. About 58 minutes in and still a half hour to go.
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Thankfully not! We had a dinner appointment with a couple of friends and I had dessert duty. It was an apple pie with strudel and was delicious, though I didn't let it cool completely and it ate like a cobbler.

I am sorry I missed this week. I love this format and am listening now. About 58 minutes in and still a half hour to go.
The length might be my fault.

Turns out I have a tendency to tangent. Who knew?!
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The length might be my fault.

Turns out I have a tendency to tangent. Who knew?!

Every week it goes an hour and a half. With all the things to talk about, it's hard to keep it shorter than that. I've gotten a lot of feedback from people saying they like the length. I've gotten some from others who wish it were shorter. I personally like the hour and a half format. It's very throurough. It gives us a chance to really hash over the issues. It lends itself to the panel format really well. It's compelling throughout. And best of all, it fills the space when I'm on my bike ride. I like to listen to podcasts while I'm excersizing, cooking, doing chores, etc. I listen to several podcasts that are over an hour long - some of them even going over 2 hours. If the discussion is entertaining, it think it works out ok.
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Great job as always.

I enjoyed the discussion on John Fox. I think he can be a good coach here. But you are right - we were sold Tim Tebow, Orton was traded at the starting gun, and now we're supposed to believe that Orton was the QB all along and Denver is happy with him?

That's the disconnect with the fans right there. It's pretty obvious that the team is not willing to do what would be needed to be successful with Tebow. They didn't take him, they inherited him, and if he doesn't fit what they want to do, that's fair. But that being the case, why did they sell him so aggressively? It is unfair to the fans to sell him and put him front and center, then seem so annoyed when the fans expect to see him play, particularly with how uninspiring it is watching Orton.

The FO obviously doesn't really like Orton either, they haven't extended him, they tried to trade him, their action show they are not going to move forward with him, why be surprised when the fans pick up on that and do not want to move forward with him? The difference isn't IF, it's WHEN.
 
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Good job....I think it was well done.

Tebow sucks btw
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Well that was a happy chat...

First off thought everyone did a great job. Things keeping getting more and more polished. Rev, great job and I love the idea of rotating in posters as guest hosts (while keeping the core intact).

Having said that, I sure hope you guys are wrong.

Team... Crap
FO... Crap
Coaching Staff... Crap
CFO... Crap
Owner... Crap

I think we are going overboard here. We got our ass handed to us by the best team in the NFL. That sucks and it shows how far we have to go... But I'm not sure it signifies that everysingle piece of the franchise is crap.

JMO...
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Well that was a happy chat...

First off thought everyone did a great job. Things keeping getting more and more polished. Rev, great job and I love the idea of rotating in posters as guest hosts (while keeping the core intact).

Having said that, I sure hope you guys are wrong.

Team... Crap
FO... Crap
Coaching Staff... Crap
CFO... Crap
Owner... Crap

I think we are going overboard here. We got our ass handed to us by the best team in the NFL. That sucks and it shows how far we have to go... But I'm not sure it signifies that everysingle piece of the franchise is crap.

JMO...
...At 1-3 you were expecting glowing reviews?

We discussed how well Von played and how Doom's return benefited him, McGahee's success thus far and Bailey coming back this week etc.
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...At 1-3 you were expecting glowing reviews?

We discussed how well Von played and how Doom's return benefited him, McGahee's success thus far and Bailey coming back this week etc.
No, not looking for "glowing reviews"

Just not sure that everything from the owner to the parking lot attendant is a complete loss.

Like I said... JMO.
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No, not looking for "glowing reviews"

Just not sure that everything from the owner to the parking lot attendant is a complete loss.

Like I said... JMO.
...Not an exaggeration at all

Do you have some specific points you'd like to raise?

Which parts of the show did you disagree with?
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...Not an exaggeration at all

Do you have some specific points you'd like to raise?

Which parts of the show did you disagree with?
The part where I CAN'T ****ING LISTEN TO IT! Anybody? How do I get it on the iphone without itunes?
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...Not an exaggeration at all

Do you have some specific points you'd like to raise?

Which parts of the show did you disagree with?
At this point I would completely disagree with the characterization that our entire FO including ownership and the CFO are a bunch of clowns pocketing all the money while screwing over the fans. What I heard made me think the group was already on the level of a Matt Millen regime with a little al davis thrown in.

I don't think that is the case... at all.

I think people are forgetting the mess this team was in when the season ended in january... Followed by lockout / followed by a truncated FA period camp schedule etc. Point is the deck is completely stacked against them this season. I think they have done an acceptable job so far and deserve more time to enact their "plan".

Let me give a quick example. Several years ago a former friend tried to rip me off through a business we co-owned. Long story short... I removed him from the business and walked head first into a **** storm not unlike the 2010 Broncos. Now I would love to tell you that I walked in made every correct decision and turned everything around in a matter of 6 months. Unfortunately life does not work that way... I didn't make every correct decision and it took a hell of a lot longer than 6 months to fix the mess my personal McDaniel's created... Point is we are jumping the gun, and it is way too early to characterize them as a bunch of incompetent thief's.

By this point in the McD regime we had traded our QB, blown the entire draft, suspended our WR, and were in the process of giving the all screen offense a go... A resounding WTF had been earned.


Now don't get too defensive Rev... I think everyone did a good job. I just think the tone was more helpless than it should be at this point.

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Well that was a happy chat...

First off thought everyone did a great job. Things keeping getting more and more polished. Rev, great job and I love the idea of rotating in posters as guest hosts (while keeping the core intact).

Having said that, I sure hope you guys are wrong.

Team... Crap
FO... Crap
Coaching Staff... Crap
CFO... Crap
Owner... Crap

I think we are going overboard here. We got our ass handed to us by the best team in the NFL. That sucks and it shows how far we have to go... But I'm not sure it signifies that everysingle piece of the franchise is crap.

JMO...
There was a lot to like, too though. I think everyone did a good job sharing the podium so to speak. Mike talked more than usual and it made for a balanced show. I thought the calls at the end of the show were outstanding, especially the discussions around them. The different view points on things like what position they would upgrade and the draft guessing were really fun to listen to. I like the way the show is shifting away from talking about just the game to more long term opinions on the Broncos and what they should/could do moving forward.

Unfortunately I have to agree the tone was overly negative for my taste. I feel bad for missing this call if only because I am now realizing I am the only optimist in the group. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the show missed me specifically, and obviously we're a bad team and have many holes, but having said that I felt this session was overly negative and could have used a dissenting voice. There were a couple of times it felt like piling on - excessively. Maybe that's where the fans are at, though. It was a brutal loss, but it was to a Super Bowl team still firing on all cylinders in a place we have never won since the Broncos were created in 1960. The comments against Fox made him sound like he's borderline incompetent.

Obviously its indicative of the guests. SoCal hates Bowlen and while he doesn't enjoy seeing the team suffer, he enjoys seeing the Bowlen suffer and could stomach the team being bad if it made Bowlen unhappy. SoCal, Rev and Taco are all big Shanafans who strongly disagreed with the firing. It surprised me that Montrose was bringing Shanahan up quite a bit as well. I did know Montrose's opinion against Orton and for Tebow or anyone not named Orton to start for the Broncos.

I guess there are people who like the negativity, though. And there is certainly plenty of it to go around for this team, and has been for some time. I remember someone on here saying they like Les Shapiro as a radio host and he's pretty negative and they see it as "calling it like it is" so I guess its a taste thing. Apparently not mine.
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There was a lot to like, too though. I think everyone did a good job sharing the podium so to speak. Mike talked more than usual and it made for a balanced show. I thought the calls at the end of the show were outstanding, especially the discussions around them. The different view points on things like what position they would upgrade and the draft guessing were really fun to listen to. I like the way the show is shifting away from talking about just the game to more long term opinions on the Broncos and what they should/could do moving forward.

Unfortunately I have to agree the tone was overly negative for my taste. I feel bad for missing this call if only because I am now realizing I am the only optimist in the group. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the show missed me specifically, and obviously we're a bad team and have many holes, but having said that I felt this session was overly negative and could have used a dissenting voice. There were a couple of times it felt like piling on - excessively. Maybe that's where the fans are at, though. It was a brutal loss, but it was to a Super Bowl team still firing on all cylinders in a place we have never won since the Broncos were created in 1960. The comments against Fox made him sound like he's borderline incompetent.

Obviously its indicative of the guests. SoCal hates Bowlen and while he doesn't enjoy seeing the team suffer, he enjoys seeing the Bowlen suffer and could stomach the team being bad if it made Bowlen unhappy. SoCal, Rev and Taco are all big Shanafans who strongly disagreed with the firing. It surprised me that Montrose was bringing Shanahan up quite a bit as well. I did know Montrose's opinion against Orton and for Tebow or anyone not named Orton to start for the Broncos.

I guess there are people who like the negativity, though. And there is certainly plenty of it to go around for this team, and has been for some time. I remember someone on here saying they like Les Shapiro as a radio host and he's pretty negative and they see it as "calling it like it is" so I guess its a taste thing. Apparently not mine.
There were a lot of things I wanted to get to without the opportunity to and some flat out mistakes. When TJ asked about the time management I wanted to specifically mention taking a knee before half, specific use of TOs and him running it when we were down by 32 and playing to save face and not to win. Things like that.

I also wanted to get into the schematics of Allen's defense and while we're finally crushing pockets, how it's also made us so susceptible to misdirection and big plays, etc.

Who knew 1:40 wasnt nearly enough time!

As for your comments, maybe a section of the show dedicated to "brightsides" in order? Especially with mounting losses and building frustration? Maybe some MORE focus on Miller and Doom and McGahee and getting healthy?

What specifics would you have been positive about had you been able to make it last night?
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