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Old 10-14-2013, 10:51 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by BBII View Post
France was a bit player in the development of modern Western Civ. There's a reason they went from a major world power in the age of Kings to a me-too country in the Anglo-American age. Because, as you allude to, they had a different set of values. And they didn't work out all that well.
LMAO Wow. Stunning ignorance of history FTL. Pick up a book sometime bub.

I'll agree that there was a happier medium somewhere between 1945 and 1980. To see some of the abuses of the gilded age would give a guy a whole different perspective. There was a time and a place for the Progressive Era, and it brought about many needed changes.
So, you agree progressive thought can and has made your life better, but now it can't anymore? The only difference between then and now, in terms of abuses, is where and how those abuses are happening. We've opened up the doors to the same level of abuse the last 30 years, only the form is different.

But somewhere along the way, we went from questions of whether companies should take basic safety measures to preserve workers' lives and limbs, to mandates on what kind of contraceptive measures they must provide in their private health plans.
A conservative not long ago was saying: But somewhere along the way, we went from enslaving people to now saying we can't work them 18 hours a day in our private businesses!

We have a regulate-first ask, ask questions later culture in Washington. And they have no clue what kinds of impacts they have outside their own little silk cocoons. The only way they'll be stopped is by someone saying enough is enough. In the right season, the 'conservative' function is just as important as the progressive one.
No, we have a culture in Washington (no matter the topic) that is dominated by monied interests instead of the interests of "the people". This has happened specifically because we have allowed those monied interests to act increasingly unchecked and gain vastly more power and wealth for the last 30 years with the large shift toward a laizzes-faire system (despite your protestations to the contrary).

What happened in 2008? The monied interests won big, everyone else lost huge because we, as a society, weren't keeping the abuses that led to that meltdown in check.

I agree there is a season for everything. We've had 30 years of conservative season that have eroded the progress of the 20th century.
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