Originally Posted by njbil
Lelei has benefited from continuity of staff scheme and quarter back.
Porter has had 3 different coaches and systems and off the top of my head 6 different quarterbacks throwing him the ball (most of them being slop)
Collins was acquired late in June and didnt get any of the starters reps in camp, coming into a new system himself. Not to mention the lack of a running game.
Anyhow all that being said, Porter is the more complete reciever.
Im not sure there is a great argument there as to continuity of staff and scheme, Bill. Fred Biletnikoff has been Jerry's coach from the word go. Ashley had Karl Dorrell his first year and then Steve Watson in 2003 and 2004. Regarding the scheme, yes, Jerry has changed schemes. But he only changed schemes once. Gruden and Callahan's passing system is the same. Norv's system is different to be sure, its a little more down the field so there is some adjustment there for Jerry. However in one sense, its an easier system to get ahold of for a WR since its based on numbers in a passing tree. The WR only has to memorize routes matched up with a number i.e. 0-quick out 1- hitch 2- slant 3- square out 4- curl 5- post 6- comeback 7- corner 8- square in 9- go, as opposed to having to memorize the whole play name and then figuring out what his responsibility is in that play. For example in Gruden and Callahan's offense, and Shanny's as well, if the play call was "22 Texas", Jerry would have to know that if he is the Flanker on the Texas combination, he is running a curl route. And if he were in the slot or 2nd reciever from the outside, he would be running an option route at 10-12 yards either running a post if the area between the hashes is open or running an outbreaking hook if it were closed. Similarly, if he was the third reciever on the side, he would have to know that in Texas, he would run a Delay/Angle route. With Turner's system its easier. You must match up your own number, you dont have to think of the play name and then ask yourself what are the route combos for the play and where am I aligned. If its 659, Jerry knows as the third number, he is running a 9, a go. Simple.
Interesting you brought up different systems for another reason. I could reasonably argue this system here isnt one that is ideally suited for Lelie. A shotgun wide open offense like Linehan ran in Minnesota would prolly be better for Lelie's stats too, so thats another consideration we can take into mind if we are going to compare systems and such.
Regarding different QBs throwing him the ball, okay ill give you that to an extent, however you have crapped on our QBs for the last few years so now I can use that against you here too.