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Old 05-10-2013, 12:59 PM   #212
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Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk View Post
If you're going to slam FactCheck, then present something. I'm not doing your work for you, like I already did with the Joyce Foundation.

Liberals always grossly exaggerate the powers and reach of the NRA, as if it were some all-encompassing bogeyman. Have you ever read a magazine of theirs, a press release? Anything? They go along with things like background checks which angers gun rights purists. The NRA doesn't even lift a finger to litigate bad gun laws nearly as often as they should.
My bad, it was actually PolitiFact I was thinking of.

However, on the FactCheck site, it's just a long list of statements and conclusion is drawn, and the data doesn't really point one way or the other.

Moody, of William & Mary, makes a more general argument in favor of more guns tempering crime.

“We are awash in guns in the United States,” Moody said. “There are more every year and yet crime seems to be going down and down and down and down.”

It’s true that gun ownership is up. The Small Arms Survey, a project of the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies in Geneva, estimated in 2007 that there were 270 million civilian-owned firearms in the U.S. In 2001, there were an estimated 230 million. So there are more guns, but are there more gun owners?

Nobody knows for sure, Hemenway said. Gun owners do not need to register simply to purchase a gun. And so, researchers are left to rely on surveys. According to yearly data from the General Social Survey, the number of households with guns is declining.

Moody doesn’t buy that. He thinks it’s a cultural issue. People today are simply more likely to tell survey-takers they do not own a gun, he said, because it is less socially acceptable. Hemenway counters that the seemingly incongruous statistics — more guns, but fewer households reporting that they have a gun — is simply a reflection of fewer gun owners purchasing more guns.

Gun manufacturing has increased in recent years, most dramatically since Obama was elected. Figures from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives show the total firearms produced in the U.S. (minus exports) at 3.5 million in 1998. That figure fluctuated, reaching 3.7 million in 2007. Then, it jumped drastically, rising 64 percent from 2007 to 2011, topping 6.1 million that year.

Background-check numbers show a similar trend. They went from 11 million background checks in 2007 to 16.8 million in 2012, with December’s numbers not yet part of that tally, according to the FBI. Background checks are not an indication of sales, however, as they’re not always required, for instance for personal sales at gun shows in some states, and one purchaser can buy more than one firearm.
There you have Carlisle Moody, an economics professor who analyzes criminal justice from an economic perspective, disagreeing with David Hemenway, Professor of Health Policy at Harvard, Director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center and Harvard Youth Violence Prevention Center.

The details offered by both are far from conclusive, and are only opinions, not "facts". It all goes on who you believe.
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