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Old 02-08-2013, 10:11 AM   #107
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Originally Posted by Meck77 View Post
Ok Req if you have the numbers then let's see them. Everything I'm seeing shows that most farms are not subsidized so this idea that farming is without risk is complete HORSE SHIAT!

Another link with the facts. This time it's a visual. H8r?
A lot of the numbers I personally see deal with compliance and they are not for me to be sharing with John Q. Public because they involve legal matters and battles which I cannot discuss on this open forum. Your links to EWG are an absolutely great resource for what goes on with commodities, crop insurance, disaster relief and conservation subsidies. These are only a portion of payments with an associate cost that is calculated. There is behind the scenes action with everything, which is partly what I'm getting at.

Whoever said there isn't a risk is FOS. There is ALWAYS a risk and due to that risk because of a lengthy amount of variables. That is why there are programs and such set up in case that happens, whether it is disaster relief or insuring a bottom line dollar for crops in a year where production might be down due to ecological factors.

~ 40% (as you said, not a majority) of American farmers receive federal subsidies -- 60% do not. The ones that don't aren't producing crops or dealing with livestock that fall under those parameters, or are likely on extraordinarily small farmsteads that do not put out much of a product. They aren't producing for the masses. Small farmsteads (~ 600,000 ) make up ~ 30% of operations in America.

Commercial farming receives most of the kickbacks, but that is also because they are producing way more than the average, regular Joe farmer and are likely dealing with crops that have a savvy bottom dollar attached to them. A majority of them are Upper Great Plains because they are the soybean, corn, wheat, etc. producers that receive a lot of government funds. Corn subsidies are through the roof after our love for ethanol came to fruition (absolutely losing battle and not even close to cost effective) and absolutely need to be expired. (I think some things did at the tail of 2011, but I wasn't here when that was going on.) SD, ND, IA, NE -- etc. -- ~70% + of them are getting some sort of subsidy and the premier reason why is the sort of business they deal in.

Agriculture has changed a lot. The Secretary of Agriculture has even agreed to the point where some of these subsidies are getting out of hand, but maintains that we have a "value system" to re-inforce, so for the time being it's quite OK. These people don't have it easy and they work their asses off. Most I come into contact with actually feel bad when they can't produce and get a relief check because they take damn good pride in their work and know that when they hurt -- the rest of us hurt too because they are producers.

I think a lot of people like H8R and a few others are jaded because of personal experiences and what they have seen. Everyone basis decisions of personal experience. If a guy like H8R goes out and spends $30,000 of his hard earned money on a new vehicle, I'm sure he'd get pretty pissed when he sees someone spending that much on a truck for a farm -- and subsequently getting it free of charge after it is written off as an itemized expenditure related to business operations when tax season rolls around when he isn't afforded that same benefit.

I will shoot you off some more stuff in private when I can. I have to go out and get some field stuff done in a different county before the blizzard hits. Adios.
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