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Old 01-26-2013, 01:19 AM   #156
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Originally Posted by Missouribronc View Post

Of course a franchise tackle is worth $12 mill. That's the going rate.

As to the rest of that crap, you obviously can't even do simple math, let alone cap-related math.

The Broncos had $22 million, or $18 million THIS SEASON. That's not even close to a finite number for NEXT SEASON.

That's why it does matter who is let go to free agency and who re-signs.

This is simple logic. has everything, and that's verified information. Read. Stop posting until you comprehend.

The simple fact is I used those number from sportrac several weeks ago for this info.

Originally Posted by Bacchus View Post
Carryover rules impact cap strategy

The Miami Dolphins have $35.8 million, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers $31.3 million, the Jacksonville Jaguars $22.1 million, the Buffalo Bills $20.6 million and the Tennessee Titans $19.4 million.

On the negative side, the New York Jets are $19.4 million over the cap. The Dallas Cowboys are $18.2 million over, the New Orleans Saints $14.7 million over and the Carolina Panthers $11.8 million over.

For chart and list of all teams cap numbers:
This was posted in another thread. It shows the information of how I came to those numbers. 

Originally Posted by Bmore Manning View Post
Denver rolled over 26 million into the Salary Cap in 2012, this made our Cap Total $147.26 Million of money available to be spent, which includes salary and bonus. Denver spent around $137.53 Million this season.. which means there’s about $10 million dollars of Cap Rollover into next season.. this is where I got my $10 Cap Room Number. That’s just rollover money, so this puts the spending mark limit around $131 Million roughly.. the Salary Cap is projected to be about $121 Million for 2013. 

Now here is the intricate part which I said requires some pretty extensive research.. below is a list of the players under contract for the Denver Broncos heading into the 2013 NFL season and THEIR SALARY.. take note that this does not reflect the total salary cap number, because it does not include bonuses. I am not privied to what teams pay out for in bonuses prior to the season.. we know that there is typically a signing bonus associated with most contracts, and this guaranteed money gets prorated over the contract for several years. This is why when you go on spot tract you are only able to see Cap Hit for 2012.. in will say Salary, Signing Bonus, Other Bonus.. these numbers added up are what give you your Cap Hit for the year.

Manning $20 M
Dumervil $12 M
Bailey $9 M
DJ Williams $6 M
Kuper $4.5 M
Dreesen, Prater, & Tamme $2.5 M
Von Miller $2.28 M
Woodyard $2 M
Adams $1.75 M
Moreno $1.7 M
Hanie $1.25 M
Ayers $1.06 M 
Caldwell $900 K
DT $836 K
Franklin $771 K
Ramirez & Hester $715 K
Beadles & Decker $575 K
Julius Thomas, Moore, Green, Irving, & Harris $555 K
Wolfe, Brewer, Malik Jackson, Steve Johnson, Bolden, Trevethan, Holliday, Hillman, & Osweiler $480 K

Salary Total Roughly $89 Million 
So that is a current salary cap hit of $89 Million, this does not include bonuses, again I am not privied to bonuses because I do not have their actual contracts in front of me. But I do know based on viewing the amount of time left on current players contracts, there should not be a significant bonus cap hit… over the length of a time of a contract the cap hit either goes up or comes down, fortunately for us, our players with higher cap hits had more front loaded contracts, and what you see is what you get.. 

Signing Rookie Players
To sign a draft class will count about $7 Million against the cap..
This puts Denver at a $96 Million Cap Hit, this is with the list of players above and our signed draft class.. Remember this does not include the bonus money of players from the long list above, but that $7 million draft class is a very accurate total cap hit gauge. 

As I have reieterated throughout the post, I am not privied to what the entire cap hit will be per player under contract because I do not know what their contract allows for in terms of bonuses. What I do know is the big name free agent who will get a huge signing bonus this offseason that will be prorated over the contract will be Ryan Clady, assuming of course he is resigned. When free agents sign a contract, they care more about the guaranteed money that they will get upfront and no matter if they are injured or not, salary is an after thought. Denver had $30 million dollars of bonuses towards the cap last season. If we assume that number is the same for 2013, then our cap figure is now $126 Million… this includes the entire list of current signed players, our draft class signed, and all bonuses included…
This will have Denver with about $5 million to spend towards impending free agents and free agents that will hit the open market. I just want to note I do not think the bonus money will account for some $30 million dollars next season, I expect about $20 million.. which gives us $15 million to spend towards free agency.

Impending Free Agents
Lance Ball, Justin Bannan, Keith Brooking, David Bruton, Tony Carter, Chris Clark, Britton Colquitt
C.J. Davis, Chris Gronkowski, Dan Koppen, Jim Leonhard, Sealver Siliga, Brandon Stokley, Mitch Unrein
Kevin Vickerson, Matt Willis, Tracy Porter, and Ryan Clady.

We are a very fortunate team in the NFL to have such a plethora of skilled young talent.. right now we are paying peanuts for guys who are doing great things on the roster. Regardless of who you think we should resign, who you think we should draft, who you think we should pursue in free agency.. you need to have a firm grasp of where we stand in regards to the cap. Maybe you think some deals should be reworked, maybe some players should be outright cut so we can increase our ability to spend. 
My best assessment puts Denver with $5-$15 Million towards free agency spending.. that included our own impending free agents as well as whats their on the market. I spent several hours on this.. so make sure when you Draft Gurus use my numbers in your Mock threads, you be sure to give me a shout out, or reference that you got the numbers from me.. Enjoy the numbers and get creative!!
actual numbers from the site quoted..

Players currently under contract for 2013..

$104,209K and Change..

2012 players that will need to be replaced in some manner Unlikely most of these will be cheaper..   Other than Porter who was expensive as a Backup but would have been decent as a starter at $4mil..  

$22,609k and change  

total of the money is $126,818 K and change..

  	        Base Salary 	S. Bonus 	Misc. Bonus 	Cap Hit
Dumervil  2013 	12,000,000 423,000 	4,525,000 	16,948,00
Bailey 2013 	9,000,000 	- 	1,500,000 	10,500,000
Adams 2013 	1,750,000 	- 	250,000 	2,000,000
Ayers $2013 	1,060,000 	- 	1,181,250 	2,241,250  
Beadles 2013 	575,000 	430,000 	- 	1,005,000
Bolden 2013 	480,000 	118,607 	- 	598,607
Brewer      2013 	480,000 	1,333 	- 	481,333
Caldewell 2013 	900,000 	100,000 	- 	1,000,000
Decker 2013 	575,000 	183,037 	- 	758,037
Dressen  2013 	2,500,000 	833,333 	- 	3,333,333
Franklin 2013 	771,000 	420,000 	- 	1,191,000
Green 2013 	555,000 	4,320 	- 	559,320
Gronkowski  2012 	540,000 	- 	- 	540,000
Hanie        2013 	1,250,000 	- 	- 	1,250,000
HArris c   2013 	555,000 	1,000 	- 	556,000
Hester       2013 	715,000 	- 	- 	715,000
Hilman  2013 	480,000 	172,708 	- 	652,708
Holiday      2013 	480,000 	- 	- 	480,000
Irving   2013 	555,000 	173,750 	- 	728,750
Jackson      2013 	480,000 	53,400 	- 	533,400
Johnson     2013 	480,000 	4,000 	- 	484,000
Kuper   2013 4,500,000 	315,166 	1,100,000 	5,915,166
Manning  2013 	20,000,000 	-   	-   	20,000,000
Miller   2013 	2,284,125 	3,443,251 	- 	5,727,376
Moore    2013 	555,000 	432,500 	- 	987,500
Moreno      2013 	1,700,000 	832,000 	943,750 	3,475,750
Osweliere   2013 	480,000 	249,396 	- 	729,396
Pratar   2013 	2,500,000 	812,500 	- 	3,312,500
Tamme    2013 	2,500,000 	500,000 	- 	3,000,000
Thomas D  2013 	836,500 	1,593,750 	- 	2,430,250
Thomas J   2013 	555,000 	96,000 	- 	651,000
Trevathan   2013 	480,000 	26,018 	- 	506,018
Williams  2013 	6,000,000 	250,000 	1,482,500 	7,732,500
Wolfe   2013 	480,000 	566,910 	146,672 	1,193,582
Woodyard   2013 	2,000,000 	- 	- 	2,000,000


Ball           2012 	540,000 	- 	- 	540,000
Bannan     2012 	1,000,000 	- 	- 	1,000,000
Brooking 2012 	1,000,000 	- 	- 	1,000,000
Burton  2012 	615,000 	120,600 	-  735,600
Carter 2012 	615,000 	- 	- 	615,000
Clady   2012 	3,500,000 	- 	2,329,375 	5,829,375
Clark  2012 	540,000 	- 	- 	540,000
Colquitt 2012 	540,000 	- 	- 	540,000
Davis   2012 	615,000 	- 	- 	615,000
Koppen    2012 	825,000 	- 	- 	825,000
Leonard   2012 	825,000 	65,000 	- 	890,000
Porter   2012 	3,000,000 	1,000,000 	- 	4,000,000
Ramierez   2013 	715,000 	- 	- 	715,000
Siliga   2012 	390,000 	- 	- 	390,000
Stokely   2012 	1,000,000 	- 	- 	1,000,000
Urein   2012 	415,000 	- 	- 	415,000
Vickerson   2012 	1,200,000 	500,000 	- 	1,700,000
Willis    2012 	1,260,000 	- 	- 	1,260,000
 While I applaud BMs work and thoughts here I see us with less than 20 million to work with to fill all the UFA or RFA spots that I either did not have valid numbers for for 2013 (RFA) or holes that  UFA create..

that is assuming we do not resign Clady to the mega contract he is looking for..
  If we do then we are looking at about 8 million of which he thinks 7 will be for Rookie contracts..

Now let me add something in here, Pat has had both Josh and John on a short leash in spending up to the cap value..   Therefore unless he opens up the purse strings we are either going to have to redo under performing players  contracts, cut some of these guys or NOT sign any UFA and since we currently have only 35 players under contract something will have to give....
So while I may be of a bit on my numbers at the time I did this they were spot on.

As for Clady he may be worth 12 million a year as a franchise OLT. The question John has to ask is he to rich for our blood. considering we have IIRC 24 more UFA at the end if the 2013 season. Can we afford him and and sign those that need to be kept from that list that is posted above.

Thanks for your normal courteous reply. Just like the old days. Friday nite LITES.
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