Originally Posted by pricejj
Neither one of them are good enough to even get their team to the playoffs, at this point. By NFL standards, they both suck.
Right now, both these guys are pretenders. They only get to start, because their ownership/head coach think that they can be better than they are right now. If they can't make the playoffs within a couple years, they will be backups.
Not sure either team has enough talent for anyone to get the team into the playoffs.
IIRC Cam was # one in the draft most teams are bereft of talent to get that low in the draft. Also seem to remember a purge going on for a few years cutting costs.
And well The Browns have sucked since Jimmy brown retired. Well almost but it has been a very long time since they were consistently relevant.