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Originally Posted by chadta

That explains alot.

I always get a kick out of bad managers who blame everything on the guys who just show up to work and do what they are told.

Auto industry, it was the fault of the guy putting the right wheel on Cadilac Escalades fault that the company was losing money, it had nothing to do with a management decision to make big tanks that nobody wanted and not make little cars. Yup blame the guy putting the wheels on.

You can blame the crappy workers all you want, in some cases it may even be true, who hired them ? They didnt just so up and start work, a good manager can see and pick a good worker.

If you have a clue in the 90 day probation period you can see if the person is going to work out,(if you dont have a 90 day probation period where either party can terminate employment without reason I apologize) if you choose to keep them, you are responsible for whatever they may turn into, you failed, you should have seen it, thats on the manager, not the monkey pushing the broom.

Explains what? that I do not overall like unions..

It is not because of not being able to fire bad employees in my past experience 98% of the time it made it easier and cleaner to get some one that did not do their job..

You are dead on about knowing which folks are going to work out and which are not and usually if your good that happens in the first few days certainly by 90 days..

But there are always a few that either sneak by or go bad after the fact.. Again in my experience those marginal employees are the ones that felt entitled after a relatively good career and just got lazy on the job..


Just like their are bad managers, same thing happens..

but my dislike for unions is IMO they have out lived their usefulness, they do not protect employees from bad management nor do they do again IMHO anything but suck money from those that do work hard.

there are enough federal and state laws the have the employes back protecting them against bad work place environments. Rarely does a union employee have any better benefits than do non union within the same company..

or for that matter more holidays, work hours, OT or DT provisions.. all of those things are covered by LAW enacted decades ago..

YES there was abuse centuries ago but not sure how that affects workers of today.. to many watch dog agencies as well as whistle blowers out there for a management team to do something stupid..

most management of today value the hard working employees.. are there some that do not sure but they will not be in business long anyway and a union will not stop that either.. IMO..

FWIW I was a union member for about ten years before getting into management.. that same union was voted out after I got into management when they figured out they were ineffective.. and a waste of their money..

Now talk to me about teachers unions protecting SOME folks that are not qualified to do Dog training and it is a totally different conversation..

let me say I have loads of respect for Teachers but their NEA and local unions in some areas are killing public respect for most that are great.. a few bad apples are killing them..