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Originally Posted by Kaylore
I don't agree and America doesn't. In fact Polling data is coming out and Biden's performance was not popular with undecideds and moderates. I would give a slight win to Biden, but I think in talking everyone down he may have "won the debate" but may have lost the audience in doing it ala Gore Vs Bush. Most of the online polls called it a draw, and early returns polled viewers are not showing they saw a clear-cut winner. What is intersting is now it looks like Biden's favorability may have gone down after the debate.
This is the mistake I cautioned against in the other thread. Democrats have such disdain for Republicans they just want to see them trash the opposition. Biden came after hime pretty hard. To the hard core Dems, that's what they "wanted to see" and after Obama getting nailed to the wall, maybe it will be, if nothing else, good for the base to feel they had a comeback after such a crappy performance by Obama.
However what really was accomplished? VP candidates don't usually sway the populace too much. I think Biden did a good job nailing Ryan down on the tax cut issue, but he got backed in on the Benghazi situation, sometimes directly contradicting what the intelligence community said.
Like I said, if the goal was to fire up the base, then Biden did his job. I think Ryan's job was to hold serve against a more experienced statesmen and not do any damage to a recently surging Romney - and I think he did that. Both fell into the pitfalls I warned against: Biden to flippant and arrogant at the wrong times, and Ryan to profesorial.
As a Republican, I'll let the Dems have this one and take the trouncing of the "real" candidates. Polling shows this didn't move voters and most are calling it a tie with Biden's favorability taking a hit. The Dems believing they're winning the battle but losing the war is ok by me.
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You are clearly blinded by your faith and strong allegiance to a particular party. Ryan didn't win one single section of entire debate. Name one single section he won. I have it on DVR and will watch it again.
Biden is spitting out facts and positions left and right and all Ryan has to counter with is short stories about Romneys generosity towards a fellow church member or his neighbor in the military or meaningless catch phrases of lost credibility.
And what's with the sad puppy dog eye's Ryan? This may work for a dog at the shelter getting adopted... but a VP? One position from the big chair. Has American become this ****ing gullible?
Ryan was and is clearly out of his depths here. Perhaps not nearly on the scale of Sarah. But still not ready for VP.
Can anyone here really honestly say they'd be comfortable with Ryan as our President if something were to happen to Romney?