Originally Posted by Inkana7
At least Manning got his teams in the playoffs and had more wins than losses. His defenses were just as bad as ours, too.
Cmon now your really reaching. Are we really going to blame Jay for not getting what was probably the worse defense in the history of the franchise into the playoffs in what only his 3rd year in the league. I'm curious to see what Orton can do in this new system as well but lets not go overboard on the Jay really wasn't that good argument...