Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: The Backside of the Internet
Ok, I understood the play on words, I thought you were trying to make the connection between the words and a possible mistranslation
You said something of peculiar interest to me because of my own thoughts upon this matter.
You asked if I ever believed at times that if enough people believed in something it becomes true: Yes.
Here's why. You can go bog this down with scientific methodology and explain the things you are doing, but the fact is, we couldn't go to the moon until JFK had us believing we could get there. We couldn't create the nuclear bomb until Hitler's attempts at doing so proved to us that we HAD to before him. We could not fly, and indeed no one believed we could fly (powered flight) until the Wright Brothers lifted off from Kitty Hawk.
Now, you can argue that we have been able to do these things because of science, but I can also argue that if no one puts any faith (because thats what it is, faith) into science, then science is no more useful to us than religion is to a scientist. We don't fly if people refuse to get on an airplane. We don't go to the moon if no one believes it is possible (and thus no one tries).
What is possible is only limited by the imaginations of the human mind. We make up our reality by our thoughts. This ties into some very strange quantum theories: The dual locality for example: You have a box, inside that box there is a cat. The box is closed. Without opening that box you know that the cat is either dead or alive, it has to be one or the other...or does it? What if the cat is both dead and alive within that box and its single state can only be revealed by opening the box to either a dead or a live cat, whichever the person opening the box chooses to perceive. Now, before we open that box, the cat exists in two states, both dead and alive, but when we open that box, we define the reality that the cat is EITHER dead or alive, but not both. In this sense, we define our very realities.
I know what you are thinking "How can a cat be both dead and alive?" Well, the same way light is both a particle and a wave. We can perceive it either way and we are right both ways and yet we cannot perceive it BOTH ways at the SAME time. Even though, quantumly it IS both particle and wave at the SAME time, we cannot (as far as I know) illustrate this. We can do one experiment showing it is a particle and another showing it is a wave but we cannot show that it is both particle and wave at the same time. Likewise for the cat, once we open the box, we perceive the cat in an either or state, but we cannot perceive it both ways at the same time (even though it really does exist both ways at the same time).
My point is, we create the reality of the cat being either alive or dead in this instance, but we must open the box first. Before science, religion dominated, before religion, mysticism dominated (as can be seen by so many cultures), and before that who knows, but whichever predominating theory the MASS of the people on Earth shared was the way the world was perceived. Perception is reality (to steal a quote from one of the posters here), if we perceive ourselves to be mystical and magical, then we are! Indeed, walk amongst the woods and close your eyes, listen carefully and use all your senses and you will feel something hidden just under the surface, something you can't quite put your finger on, something that has been hidden from you (in the name of science!). Mysticism, religion and science are at odds with one another. Science would love to discredit mysticism (which it continually tries to do) and religion (i think science is not ready to take on religion for a battle of faith of the people), but because religion is so firmly entrenched into our hearts and minds we choose not to accept that science which might be in contradiction to our beliefs.
Now, if you are lost, dont feel bad because I get lost on quantum theories as well and I only understand this because a very smart person explained it to me in very simple terms. I tried to explain it to you the way it was explained to me (not sure if I did a good job of it though).
More later, have to do some research on some things. I gotta go check out the Kabbal (weren't they Jews from like Spain and dealt with Bible Code?) and make sure I know where you are coming from.