Originally Posted by fontaine
I don't like a lot of stuff Kizla writes but I think he makes some interesting points:
I'm not as trigger happy as Kizla so I don't know if firing yet another D-Coordinator is the answer. What I do expect though is for the players to play with discipline and do the basics like tackling/blocking and know their assignments. We had that guarantee with Coyer here when his units regulary overachieved beyond their collective talent.
Can we say the same for Bates? I don't think so. I honestly don't know what the answer is. What do people think, is the D showing improvement?
The thing we're doing differently now is we're constantly dedicating more and more bodies to stopping the run so that even though we're not getting gashed by RBs, offenses are now using play action to go over the top and across the middle with success against our DBs because we've usually got 8/9 in the box playing run first.
Kizla makes some good points.
I disagree with some of your points. We had guarantees from Coyer of discipline, tackling, and knowing assignments. Don't let our current failures, distort history.
Coyer was great at gameplanning and scheming in the beginning of the year to improve a weakness from the previous year; even if allowed another weakness to pop up in the process. During Coyer time, there were many threads about tackling problems -- specifically about Al Wilson and Gold. How about allowing any corner not named Champ to be torched on outs and outs and ups? How about the times we saw the secondary perplexed after a TD? How EE chasing LT on a zone blitz for a TD? How about little to no pass rush unless there was an all out blitz? How about the lost leads in the 4th Qtr (kinda like what happen this past weekend against CHI)?
Should I continue??
If Bates is fired after this year, it would be a mistake even with his current track record. However, I could see Bates leaving on his own because the players are not that good collectively. They look better on paper then, they perform together. Why are doing better on defensive and special teams with waiver wire pickups? It only takes one missed assigment to make a defense look really BAD.
I can now truly appreciate the good job Coyer did with the players Shanny gave him. Although, Champ made the defensive appear better than they truly were through great play.
If Shanny does not understand after this year, that it all starts and ends in the trenches on offensive and defensive; then he will never realize it.
Us fans will learn early in free argency, what Shanny learned from this year based on how he spends the teams money.