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UltimateHoboW/Shotgun

07-22-2011 09:47 PM

OT: Drug Testing

Florida is the first state that will require drug testing when applying for welfare, effective July 1st! Some people are crying this is unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test the people who work for their money but not those who don't? (per Denver Post today-CO should be next-but who's paying for all this medical maryjane?)

http://www.newser.com/story/119958/f...ick-scott.html

Quote:

Governor Rick Scott signed a law this week requiring Floridians to submit urine, blood, or hair samples for drug testing before they could receive any cash aid from the state. Those testing positive will be banned from receiving aid for six months, though they can secure assistance for their children by designating someone else—who must also pass a drug test—to collect the money, the Miami Herald reports.

http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2011/0...recipients.htm

Quote:

Florida has become the latest state to begin drug screening on adults applying for the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Gov. Rick Scott signed the bill into law saying it is "unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction."

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...nts-rick-scott

Quote:

If Floridians want welfare, they better make sure they are drug-free.

Republican Gov. Rick Scott signed a bill on Tuesday that requires benefit recipients to undergo drug testing.

Applicants for the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program who test positive for illicit substances won't be eligible for the funds for a year, or until they undergo treatment.

Those who fail a second time would be banned from receiving the funds for three years.

"While there are certainly legitimate needs for public assistance, it is unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction," Scott said. "This new law will encourage personal accountability and will help to prevent the misuse of tax dollars."

Swedish Extrovert

07-22-2011 09:56 PM

I really don't see anything wrong with requiring drug tests for things like collecting welfare and unemployment.

CBF1	07-22-2011 10:12 PM

Most of the work I do in SoCal not only requires a 10 panel drug screening but also a Department of Justice (DOJ) background check. I am all for this... If they ever passed a law like this, and enforced it in California, people would start rioting and getting down on the "Man"

BroncoMan4ever

07-22-2011 10:57 PM

good. if you have money for drugs you have disposable income and shouldn't get jack **** from the government. alcohol testing should be done as well

Boomhauer

07-22-2011 11:00 PM

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alkemical

07-23-2011 07:09 AM

I'd like to see this expanded and anyone in FL that recieves state money (old people, students, etc etc) should be piss tested.

If you're investing in your fellow citizens, you should demand everyone's using the $ right.

Drek	07-23-2011 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alkemical (Post 3223812)

We should also start breathalyzer tests and on-site drug testing when entering a highway. After all, its a state funded roadway and who knows what you're using the state's generosity for.

Los Broncos

07-23-2011 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBF1 (Post 3223737)

No doubt, just think of all the potheads on unemployment.

They would burn this place to the ground if it ever passes here.

Los Broncos

07-23-2011 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drek (Post 3223819)

We should also start breathalyzer tests and on-site drug testing when entering a highway. After all, its a state funded roadway and who knows what you're using the state's generosity for.

Hilarious!

oubronco

07-23-2011 08:12 AM

It's about time this got started

Pony Boy

07-23-2011 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drek (Post 3223819)

We should also start breathalyzer tests and on-site drug testing when entering a highway. After all, its a state funded roadway and who knows what you're using the state's generosity for.

I live on a popular boating lake in my area and on Saturday and Sunday evenings from 5pm to about midnight they block all roads leaving the lake and runs DUI checks on all vehicles. The locals hate it because we have to pass through them every time you go anywhere for any reason. I don't mind but what pisses me off it's it not about safety but it's all about generating revenue. What's really a hassle is on the lake they will issue you a DUI in a boat the same as vehicle so you need a designated driver to go wake boarding.

jhns	07-23-2011 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drek (Post 3223819)

We should also start breathalyzer tests and on-site drug testing when entering a highway. After all, its a state funded roadway and who knows what you're using the state's generosity for.

Actually, the drivers pay for the roads. The people getting welfare are not paying for that welfare, which also makes alkemicals response dumb.

AK Broncomaniac

07-23-2011 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever (Post 3223747)

good. if you have money for drugs you have disposable income and shouldn't get jack **** from the government. alcohol testing should be done as well

I agree... I don't want my tax dollars paying for their drugs when I have a hard enough time making my mortgage payment.

Swedish Extrovert

07-23-2011 11:55 AM

Why do people complain about mortgage payments? I never got that. You knew what you were getting into when you took out the loan... that's what caused this whole economic mess - people buying houses they couldn't afford.

AK Broncomaniac

07-23-2011 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mightysmurf (Post 3223929)

I make my mortgage payment just fine, thank you... it's just a figure of speech. :)

AK Broncomaniac

07-23-2011 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK Broncomaniac (Post 3223944)

I make my mortgage payment just fine, thank you... it's just a figure of speech. :)

Maybe you're just bored and trying to piss people off. I have agreed with you,smurf,from the beginning! I am not a big pro-welfare fan anyway. I was just implying that I would like to see my tax dollars spent more constructively,

Pony Boy

07-23-2011 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mightysmurf (Post 3223929)

I think they should drug test you before they approve your mortgage loan, especially if the Feds are going to bailout the lenders....... it's a slippery slope ;D

Ray_Lewis'_Victim

07-23-2011 01:05 PM

Conflict of Interest

Rick Scott has a significant financial stake in the companies performing the drug tests. Clear conflict of interest.

Swedish Extrovert

07-23-2011 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alkemical (Post 3223812)

I'm all about cutting old people entitlements, but if they are retired, and as long as students are making the grade, this seems like useless big brother stuff to me.

snowspot66

07-23-2011 01:30 PM

How much is this going to cost?

Swedish Extrovert

07-23-2011 01:31 PM

Likewise, I would apply the same thing to the corporate world... if they're getting the job done, it isn't the government's responsibility to make sure they aren't hitting a bong every once and a while.

However, I do support OP... if someone doesn't want to contribute to the economic system, that's fine... just don't ask the government to help your lifestyle.

ICON	07-23-2011 01:31 PM

Pork Barrel Spending - The Absurd

$107,000 to study the sex life of the Japanese quail.
$1.2 million to study the breeding habits of the woodchuck.
$150,000 to study the Hatfield-McCoy feud.
$84,000 to find out why people fall in love.
$1 million to study why people don't ride bikes to work.
$19 million to examine gas emissions from cow flatulence.
$144,000 to see if pigeons follow human economic laws.
Funds to study the cause of rudeness on tennis courts and examine smiling patterns in bowling alleys.
$219,000 to teach college students how to watch television.
$2 million to construct an ancient Hawaiian canoe.
$20 million for a demonstration project to build wooden bridges.
$160,000 to study if you can hex an opponent by drawing an X on his chest.
$800,000 for a restroom on Mt. McKinley.
$100,000 to study how to avoid falling spacecraft.
$16,000 to study the operation of the komungo, a Korean stringed instrument.
$1 million to preserve a sewer in Trenton, NJ, as a historic monument.
$6,000 for a document on Worcestershire sauce.
$10,000 to study the effect of naval communications on a bull's potency.
$100,000 to research soybean-based ink.
$1 million for a Seafood Consumer Center.
$57,000 spent by the Executive Branch for gold-embossed playing cards on Air Force Two.
Total: $ 45,980,000

1. $1.9 million for a water taxi to Pleasure Beach, Conn.

2. $3.8 million for an urban art trail in Rochester, N.Y.

3. $3.1 million for upgrades to an 88-year-old canal boat museum in New York

4. $3 million for bicycle racks in Washington, D.C.'s Georgetown area

5. $1.5 million for a streetscape project around a Detroit casino

6. $578,000 to fight homelessness in Union, N.Y., a town that reportedly has no homeless people

7. $550,000 for a skateboard park in Pawtucket, R.I.

8. $500,000 for fish food for Missouri fish farmers

9. $400,000 to renovate a vacant building in Jal, N.M.

10. $380,350 to encourage West Virginia landowners to grow ginseng and shiitake mushrooms

11. $90,000 for a shared kitchen for food service entrepreneurs

I don't care about what some crack head does for 12 mounts.

Swedish Extrovert

07-23-2011 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowspot66 (Post 3223983)

How much is this going to cost?

Piss tests are expensive... also, in order for it to be effective, they'd have to employ meatgazers.

Swedish Extrovert

07-23-2011 01:33 PM

Okay, so I just looked up Rick Scott... he made all his money in pharmaceuticals - doesn't this seem a little fishy that he would expand drug testing?

Swedish Extrovert

07-23-2011 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ICON (Post 3223986)

Pork Barrel Spending - The Absurd
$107,000 to study the sex life of the Japanese quail.
$1.2 million to study the breeding habits of the woodchuck.
$150,000 to study the Hatfield-McCoy feud.
$84,000 to find out why people fall in love.
$1 million to study why people don't ride bikes to work.
$19 million to examine gas emissions from cow flatulence.
$144,000 to see if pigeons follow human economic laws.
Funds to study the cause of rudeness on tennis courts and examine smiling patterns in bowling alleys.
$219,000 to teach college students how to watch television.
$2 million to construct an ancient Hawaiian canoe.
$20 million for a demonstration project to build wooden bridges.
$160,000 to study if you can hex an opponent by drawing an X on his chest.
$800,000 for a restroom on Mt. McKinley.
$100,000 to study how to avoid falling spacecraft.
$16,000 to study the operation of the komungo, a Korean stringed instrument.
$1 million to preserve a sewer in Trenton, NJ, as a historic monument.
$6,000 for a document on Worcestershire sauce.
$10,000 to study the effect of naval communications on a bull's potency.
$100,000 to research soybean-based ink.
$1 million for a Seafood Consumer Center.
$57,000 spent by the Executive Branch for gold-embossed playing cards on Air Force Two.
Total: $ 45,980,000
1. $1.9 million for a water taxi to Pleasure Beach, Conn.

2. $3.8 million for an urban art trail in Rochester, N.Y.

3. $3.1 million for upgrades to an 88-year-old canal boat museum in New York

4. $3 million for bicycle racks in Washington, D.C.'s Georgetown area

5. $1.5 million for a streetscape project around a Detroit casino

6. $578,000 to fight homelessness in Union, N.Y., a town that reportedly has no homeless people

7. $550,000 for a skateboard park in Pawtucket, R.I.

8. $500,000 for fish food for Missouri fish farmers

9. $400,000 to renovate a vacant building in Jal, N.M.

10. $380,350 to encourage West Virginia landowners to grow ginseng and shiitake mushrooms

11. $90,000 for a shared kitchen for food service entrepreneurs

I don't care about what some crack head does for 12 mounts.

Some of those are important... such as the study of Cows and greenhouse gas emissions. I'm as fiscally conservative as anybody in terms of ideology, but I'm not too concerned about pork barrel spending - it's minuscule compared to entitlement spending and some very important scientific advancements have been made due to pork.

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