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baja 05-20-2011 05:10 PM

If facts don’t lie, is Mexico safer than the U.S.?
 
If facts don’t lie, is Mexico safer than the U.S.?


The following article was recently published by Patrick Osio, Editor of Hispanicvista.com. He is the co-founder of TransBorder Communications, Inc. (http://www.transbordercommunications.com/) dedicated to binational economic development. He has been kind enough to let us pass along his findings to you.


If facts don’t lie, is Mexico safer than the U.S.?
By Patrick Osio

Here comes Easter break again and young people will be young people – high school and college kids will travel to distant places where the drinking age is either less than it is in the U.S. or where authorities don’t care to enforce minors’ drinking laws. For several decades Mexico has been one such place of choice where the legal drinking age is 18. Mazatlan, Acapulco, Puerto Vallarta and Cancun were the fly to favorite places and Rosarito Beach and Ensenada the favorite drive to places from Southern California. – But not this year, or for that matter neither was it last year.

Our government and the U.S. media have convinced most Americans that Mexico is not a safe place to visit as drug traffickers are fighting it out to see which gang will have the right to sell their illicit drugs to the very group that will not be visiting Mexico. They will have to wait until they return from Easter break to get their Mexican smuggled drugs at home.

But what really struck me was that the preferred country to visit this Easter break in lieu of Mexico is the Dominica. It struck me because Dominica is rated as the number one country with the highest propensity for crime in the world. According to facts gathered by NationMaster.com, their total crime per 1,000 residents (per capita) is 113.822 –Compared to the U.S. that is 8th in the world in total crimes at 80.0645 per 1000 residents, making chances of being a victim of a crime in Dominica better than 10%, and slightly less than an 8% chance of being a victim in the U.S.

But here is the real clunker – Mexico, the country our government tells us not to visit and the media has a field day reporting any crime be it significant or not to further put the fear of God into staying away from there – well, it ranks 39th in total crime in the world with a per capita of slightly less than 13 crimes per 1000 residents that is a 1.3% chance of being a victim of crime in Mexico.

So Mexico is out, Dominica is in, yet the chances of being a crime victim there is greater than in the U.S. and the chances of being a crime victim in the U.S. is greater than in Mexico. But, for our own safety we need to stay out of Mexico.

Have you ever felt like you’re being duped but you can’t quite put your finger on why – what’s the motive? Is it to keep us from facing some bitter truths? We keep reading how crime is down, how safe we are compared to most other parts of the world. But is it true?

So here are some multiple choice questions for you:

1. Which country has a higher crime rate per 1,000 residents?
a. Mexico, b. Germany, c. Canada, d. U.S.
2. Which country has the highest murders with firearms?
a. Mexico, b. El Salvador, c. U.S.
3. Of the following countries, which has the least number of drug offenses?
a. Germany, b. United Kingdom, c. Canada, d. Switzerland, e. Mexico
4. Which country has the most prisoners?
a. United States, b. China, c. Russia, d. India, e. Mexico
(Answers: 1. d. U.S., 2. c. U.S., 3. e. Mexico, 4. a. U.S.- Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/)

In one of the only bright spots due to its recent gang related murders, Mexico, on a per capita, ranks as more dangerous than the U.S. occupying No. 24 and Mexico No. 6 in the world, but in total number of murders the U.S. is No. 5 and Mexico No. 6.

In fact, much of the crime data per capita 1000 population suggests that in many respects Mexico is safer than the U.S.: in assaults the U.S. ranks No. 6, Mexico No. 20; burglaries the U.S. No. 17, Mexico No. 34; car thefts U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 22; fraud U.S. No. 18, Mexico No. 29; Rape (Canada No.5), U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 17.

No doubt that at the expense of Mexico we are being duped. Is it to hide our insatiable appetite for illicit drugs and cheap labor, and so by pointing the finger of guilt to the biggest supplier of both we exculpate our actions or at minimum pacify our own guilt?

Maybe it’s time for “the home of the free, and land of the brave” to take note.

Archer81 05-20-2011 05:20 PM

And I wonder how many people in mexico actually report it when they are the victims of a crime...

Or is headless bodies in Juarez just an exception, and not the rule?

:Broncos:

orinjkrush 05-20-2011 05:25 PM

guess it depends on HOW you want to die.

KipCorrington25 05-20-2011 06:50 PM

Does it figure in illegals commiting crimes in this country? Without those we'd decrease the rates a bit, hit and runs especially.

baja 05-20-2011 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KipCorrington25 (Post 3187818)
Does it figure in illegals commiting crimes in this country? Without those we'd decrease the rates a bit, hit and runs especially.

That is a factor. How much I do not know but I doubt the percentage would be affected all that much

DenverBrit 05-20-2011 07:16 PM

In 1979, when Northern Ireland was in the grip of sectarian murders, Houston.....same population size....had four times the murder rate.

Facts don't lie. ;D

05-20-2011 07:39 PM

Where are all the hysterical reports warning us not to go to Mexico? I went three times in college. I don't remember being "duped."

They've had some serious drug wars, but that doesn't mean the reported crime rate is higher.

rmsanger 05-20-2011 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja (Post 3187789)
So here are some multiple choice questions for you:

1. Which country has a higher crime rate per 1,000 residents? a. Mexico, b. Germany, c. Canada, d. U.S.
2. Which country has the highest murders with firearms?
a. Mexico, b. El Salvador, c. U.S.
3. Of the following countries, which has the least number of drug offenses?
a. Germany, b. United Kingdom, c. Canada, d. Switzerland, e. Mexico
4. Which country has the most prisoners?
a. United States, b. China, c. Russia, d. India, e. Mexico
(Answers: 1. d. U.S., 2. c. U.S., 3. e. Mexico, 4. a. U.S.- Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/)

1) Mexican police is as dirty as the crimals, hence none are caught.
2) The Mexican don't fug with guys as they like to remove heads.
3) US has strict drug laws and enforcement, Mexico has none
4) See above

baja 05-20-2011 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmsanger (Post 3187849)
1) Mexican police is as dirty as the crimals, hence none are caught.
2) The Mexican don't fug with guys as they like to remove heads.
3) US has strict drug laws and enforcement, Mexico has none
4) See above

1) On the local level that is true to a degree, the military not so much. Keep in mind a lot of good cops are being killed in the war.

2) There is a full out war going on don't know how you can make such a blatantly wrong claim.

3) So stupid does not warrant a response.

4) The US has more people in prison per capata than any other country in recorded history.

ColoradoDarin 05-20-2011 08:59 PM

Yeah, don't know what source that is, but I trust wikipedia over it.

Crime in Mexico (few selected passages):
Quote:

Crime continues at high levels, and is repeatedly marked by violence, especially in Monterrey, Tijuana, Ciudad Juárez, Tamaulipas, Michoacan, and the state of Sinaloa. Other metropolitan areas have lower, yet still serious, levels of crime. Low apprehension and conviction rates contribute to the high crime rate.
Quote:

Analysis of crime statistics in Mexico indicate that although the crime rate has declined over the last 100 years, there has been a significant upswing within the last two decades led by Mexico City. Since many crimes go unreported, the rates may be much higher than reported by the government.

Rape is rarely reported or punished, owing to old social norms, minor penalties for the crime, and criminal laws. In some rural areas, penalties for rape may consist of a few hours in jail, or minor fines.
Quote:

According to the CNDH, only one out of every ten crimes is reported in Mexico; this is due to lack of trust from citizens to the authorities. Furthermore, only one out of 100 reported crimes actually goes to sentencing. This means that one out of every 1000 crimes is punished
I think I'll pass on traveling to Mexico anytime soon.

baja 05-20-2011 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin (Post 3187860)
Yeah, don't know what source that is, but I trust wikipedia over it.

Crime in Mexico (few selected passages):






I think I'll pass on traveling to Mexico anytime soon.

Suit yourself but you are making that decision based on inaccurate information.

Dr. Broncenstein 05-20-2011 09:08 PM

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ColoradoDarin 05-20-2011 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja (Post 3187863)
Suit yourself but you are making that decision based on inaccurate information.

Pot. Kettle.

baja 05-20-2011 09:13 PM

I didn't say it was perfect ;D

Still less violant per capata than the USA

"In fact, much of the crime data per capita 1000 population suggests that in many respects Mexico is safer than the U.S.: in assaults the U.S. ranks No. 6, Mexico No. 20; burglaries the U.S. No. 17, Mexico No. 34; car thefts U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 22; fraud U.S. No. 18, Mexico No. 29; Rape (Canada No.5), U.S. No. 9, Mexico No. 17."

broncocalijohn 05-20-2011 09:13 PM

How about the author gives the crime report in the cities that Americans visit. Tijuana, Rosarito, Cancun, Puerta Vallarta, etc? I dont care if one state is crime free if no one goes there to visit. If I had a college age child, I want to know how safe is THE CITY HE IS VISITING!

baja 05-20-2011 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin (Post 3187866)
Pot. Kettle.

Dude I've lived and traveled in Mexico for over 25 years. I'd say I'm in a better position to report on crime in Mexico that you who refuses to even set foot in the country. Just sayin...

baja 05-20-2011 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn (Post 3187868)
How about the author gives the crime report in the cities that Americans visit. Tijuana, Rosarito, Cancun, Puerta Vallarta, etc? I dont care if one state is crime free if no one goes there to visit. If I had a college age child, I want to know how safe is THE CITY HE IS VISITING!

Fair enough just avoid the places you mentioned and you will most likely be fine.

Oh and Rosarito should not be on that list and Monterey should.

UberBroncoMan 05-20-2011 11:24 PM

New Orleans is a good example of a nasty place to live in the US. Huge murder rate.

As for Mexico being safer? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Stats don't tell the whole story.

On a curious side-note. I wonder how many of our prisoners (in the South West especially) are of illegal Mexican ethnicity.

bombay 05-20-2011 11:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-d2T...feature=relmfu


One more time..

epicSocialism4tw 05-20-2011 11:33 PM

I wouldnt trust a single statistic that came out of Mexico about safety. Not one.

That country absolutely depends on US tourism dollars.

Baja, you should be ashamed of yourself for posting such nonsense.

baja 05-20-2011 11:42 PM

Soooo closed minded...........

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11664

bombay 05-20-2011 11:43 PM

The U.S. government is for sale to a higher class of criminal.


PS: when a huge market is created, someone will fill that market's needs.

Archer81 05-21-2011 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan (Post 3187913)
New Orleans is a good example of a nasty place to live in the US. Huge murder rate.

As for Mexico being safer? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Stats don't tell the whole story.

On a curious side-note. I wonder how many of our prisoners (in the South West especially) are of illegal Mexican ethnicity.


Over 50%.

But its not their fault. They came to the US for a better life and do jobs our criminals wont do.

:Broncos:

TomServo 05-21-2011 02:50 AM

OK, all those dumbass students in Tuscon that want "conquista", lets give CA, NM, and AZ, back to mexico. and when they F -it all up like mexico they will try to sneak into WA, ID, and WA. what then?
when the mexicans give all the land cortez stole, back to the aztecs, we'll talk.

ColoradoDarin 05-21-2011 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja (Post 3187869)
Dude I've lived and traveled in Mexico for over 25 years. I'd say I'm in a better position to report on crime in Mexico that you who refuses to even set foot in the country. Just sayin...

Dude I've lived and traveled in the US for over 37 years. I'd say I'm in a better position to report on crime in the US that you who refuses to even set foot in the country. Just sayin...


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