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DBruleU 01-19-2011 11:29 AM

DA: Pa. abortion doc killed 7 babies with scissors
 
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...ade38143b90132

PHILADELPHIA (AP) A doctor who gave abortions to minorities, immigrants and poor women in a "house of horrors" clinic was charged with eight counts of murder in the deaths of a patient and seven babies who were born alive and then killed with scissors, prosecutors said Wednesday.

Dr. Kermit Gosnell, 69, made millions of dollars over 30 years, performing as many illegal, late-term abortions as he could, prosecutors said. State regulators ignored complaints about him and failed to inspect his clinic since 1993, but no charges were warranted against them given time limits and existing law, District Attorney Seth Williams said. Nine of Gosnell's employees also were charged.

Gosnell "induced labor, forced the live birth of viable babies in the sixth, seventh, eighth month of pregnancy and then killed those babies by cutting into the back of the neck with scissors and severing their spinal cord," Williams said.

Patients were subjected to squalid and barbaric conditions at Gosnell's Women's Medical Society, where Gosnell performed dozens of abortions a day, prosecutors said. He mostly worked overnight hours after his untrained staff administered drugs to induce labor during the day, they said.

Early last year, authorities went to investigate drug-related complaints at the clinic and stumbled on what Williams called a "house of horrors."

Bags and bottles holding aborted fetuses "were scattered throughout the building," Williams said. "There were jars, lining shelves, with severed feet that he kept for no medical purpose."

The clinic was shut down and Gosnell's medical license was suspended after the raid.

Gosnell and four workers were charged with murder, while five others were charged with controlled drug violations and other crimes. None of the employees had any medical training, and one, a high school student, performed intravenous anesthesia with potentially lethal narcotics, Williams said.

All 10 defendants were taken into custody, authorities said.

Two listed numbers for Gosnell in Philadelphia have been disconnected. Defense lawyer William J. Brennan, who represented Gosnell during the investigation, noted that the doctor served patients in a low-income city neighborhood for decades.

"Obviously, these allegations are very, very serious," Brennan said.

The grand jury said the woman who died was a patient who came to Gosnell's clinic for an abortion and died of cardiac arrest because she was given too much Demerol. Gosnell wasn't at the clinic at the time, but directed his staff to administer the drug to keep the woman, a healthy 41-year-old woman, sedated until he arrived, prosecutors said.

Gosnell has been named in at least 46 malpractice suits, including one over the death of a 22-year-old mother who died of sepsis and a perforated uterus in 2000. Many others also involve perforated uteruses. Gosnell sometimes sewed up the injury without telling women their uteruses had been perforated, prosecutors said.

Gosnell charged $325 for first-trimester abortions and $1,600 to $3,000 for abortions up to 30 weeks. Abortions are legal up to 24 weeks gestation in Pennsylvania, although most doctors won't perform them after 20 weeks, prosecutors said.

Some women came from across the mid-Atlantic for the illegal late-term abortions, authorities said. White women from the suburbs were ushered into a separate, slightly cleaner area because Gosnell believed they were more likely to file complaints, Williams said.

"People knew near and far that if you needed a late-term abortion you could go see Dr. Gosnell," Williams said.

Few if any of the sedated women knew their babies were born alive and then killed, prosecutors said. Many were first-time mothers who were told they were 24 weeks pregnant, even if they were further along, authorities said.

Gosnell got his medical degree from Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia and is board certified in family practice. He started, but did not finish, a residency in obstetrics-gynecology, authorities said.

"He does not know how to do an abortion. He's not board certified," Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore said. "Once he got them there, he saw dollar signs and did abortions that other people wouldn't do."

Doggcow 01-19-2011 11:41 AM

Wow, that's horrific.

Requiem 01-19-2011 12:21 PM

Awful.

Rohirrim 01-19-2011 12:29 PM

There are things in this world that are beyond my capacity to understand.

DenverBrit 01-19-2011 12:55 PM

46 malpractice suits going back at least a decade?

How many suits have to be filed before action is taken against this disgusting individual??

gyldenlove 01-19-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverBrit (Post 3093994)
46 malpractice suits going back at least a decade?

How many suits have to be filed before action is taken against this disgusting individual??

Unfortunately it is more difficult to get rid of an incompetent doctor than almost anything else, it is certainly true of doctors that they protect each other and it is also true that no country in the world has a good medical review process to deal with obviously incompetent or deliberately criminal individuals. They really do need to take the control of medical licenses out of the hands of doctors, they are not willing to police themselves.

Mile High Shack 01-19-2011 04:28 PM

now, I'm not for killing people, but why didn't that one dude kill this abortion doctor?

cutthemdown 01-19-2011 06:30 PM

This is pretty bad but killing babies is killing babies whether you do it as 2 months or 8 months IMO. Unbelievable in todays day and age we have people getting away with this for this long before being shut down.

cutthemdown 01-19-2011 06:31 PM

ROFL!
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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3093951)
There are things in this world that are beyond my capacity to understand.

Pretty much everything.

Dr. Broncenstein 01-19-2011 06:38 PM

How is this any different than any other form of late term abortion?

DenverBrit 01-19-2011 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gyldenlove (Post 3094396)
Unfortunately it is more difficult to get rid of an incompetent doctor than almost anything else, it is certainly true of doctors that they protect each other and it is also true that no country in the world has a good medical review process to deal with obviously incompetent or deliberately criminal individuals. They really do need to take the control of medical licenses out of the hands of doctors, they are not willing to police themselves.

Where were the Pro Life, abortion clinic bombers?

They kill the docs who perform legal terminations, but ignore this scumbag while he practices his unbelievably evil deeds.

As for the 'system', you're right. It is difficult to get theses rogue Docs put away when his peers protect him.

Dr. Broncenstein 01-19-2011 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gyldenlove (Post 3094396)
Unfortunately it is more difficult to get rid of an incompetent doctor than almost anything else, it is certainly true of doctors that they protect each other and it is also true that no country in the world has a good medical review process to deal with obviously incompetent or deliberately criminal individuals. They really do need to take the control of medical licenses out of the hands of doctors, they are not willing to police themselves.

You have got to be kidding me. Why don't you look up the minutes of just about any state medical board. They are online, as well as the disciplinary actions taken. They don't mess around. How this guy managed to practice, I won't pretend to understand. But saying that there is no internal policing amongst physicians is just flat out incorrect.

01-19-2011 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverBrit (Post 3093994)
46 malpractice suits going back at least a decade?

How many suits have to be filed before action is taken against this disgusting individual??

Because it's abortion, people steer clear. Abortion opponents have been digging out remains for years and trying to "out" doctors who perform late term, but they get shouted down.

Abortion is just one of those issues that people define themselves by. And their vision gets clouded on the facts either way.

cutthemdown 01-19-2011 08:23 PM

They always kill the babies when they do these late term abortions. People just don't want to hear the dirty details. This place sounds like a **** hole ran by a doctor that was really unsanitary, didn't have properly trained staff etc etc. I think though the baby killing part you are all ok with though right. So it's not the killing of the babies its the fact he did it in unsanitary conditions and wasn't a very good doctor.

cutthemdown 01-19-2011 08:25 PM

The issue is twisted that is why it defines a lot of people. I mean society will charge with murder someone who injures a woman that is preganant killing the fetus, but that same woman can go kill the baby herself and its ok.

If people can't at least see the hypocrisy of that I don't see how you can argue.

They are really saying its only a life if the woman decides it is.

peacepipe 01-19-2011 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3094530)
How is this any different than any other form of late term abortion?

once they were born they were protected under law.

Dr. Broncenstein 01-19-2011 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3094679)
once they were born they were protected under law.

It was a rhetorical question, as I'm sure you know. But just to clear things up, it's okay to pith a viable fetus as long as it isn't all the way out. Makes perfect sense.

Dr. Broncenstein 01-19-2011 09:24 PM

This was a criminal enterprise beyond imagination. The only reason this guy was finally busted was because of the illegal pill mill he was running by day, not the baby butchery by night. There were countless complaints against him over the span of nearly four decades. He was never going to be investigated by the department of health because of the politics involved with abortion. This wasn't a case of physicians protecting their peer. This guy had no peers. Read the Grand Jury report here. Holy balls, everyone single person involved in the intentional disregard for regulatory oversight should go to prison over this.

http://www.phila.gov/districtattorne...nsMedical.html

Download the actual PDF report at the bottom, and prepare to be shocked.

epicSocialism4tw 01-19-2011 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gyldenlove (Post 3094396)
Unfortunately it is more difficult to get rid of an incompetent doctor than almost anything else, it is certainly true of doctors that they protect each other and it is also true that no country in the world has a good medical review process to deal with obviously incompetent or deliberately criminal individuals. They really do need to take the control of medical licenses out of the hands of doctors, they are not willing to police themselves.

Thats not true.

epicSocialism4tw 01-19-2011 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3094701)
This was a criminal enterprise beyond imagination. The only reason this guy was finally busted was because of the illegal pill mill he was running by day, not the baby butchery by night. There were countless complaints against him over the span of nearly four decades. He was never going to be investigated by the department of health because of the politics involved with abortion. This wasn't a case of physicians protecting their peer. This guy had no peers. Read the Grand Jury report here. Holy balls, everyone single person involved in the intentional disregard for regulatory oversight should go to prison over this.

http://www.phila.gov/districtattorne...nsMedical.html

Download the actual PDF report at the bottom, and prepare to be shocked.

Unbelievable.

What's equally disturbing is that the D&X procedure isnt much different from what this pathetic jackass was doing in his clinic, and the D&X procedure is legal.

People need to open their eyes to what abortion truly is.

JJJ 01-19-2011 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3094679)
once they were born they were protected under law.

Actually once the fetus reached 24 weeks in PA it was protected by the law.

You know that magical 24 week point where it miraculously becomes worth protecting, which through the unique development of the human body is a different number in different states.

epicSocialism4tw 01-19-2011 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJ (Post 3094755)
Actually once the fetus reached 24 weeks in PA it was protected by the law.

You know that magical 24 week point where it miraculously becomes worth protecting, which through the unique development of the human body is a different number in different states.

Sad.

ant1999e 01-19-2011 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3094688)
It was a rhetorical question, as I'm sure you know. But just to clear things up, it's okay to pith a viable fetus as long as it isn't all the way out. Makes perfect sense.

This. It makes no ****ing sense. Sick, selfish ****ing people are what's destroying this country.

chadta 01-20-2011 05:51 AM

I think maybe much like executions need to be shown on tv, maybe we should show abortions on tv, not enough to where people would get desensitized, but enough that anybody who wants to have one would know what its all about.

Ive personally got no idea what all is done in an abortion, so i cant really picture a live baby being killed, i just assumed that they were injected with something and then sucked out. This story puts a picture to the procedure, and its sick.

Dr. Broncenstein 01-20-2011 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadta (Post 3094839)
I think maybe much like executions need to be shown on tv, maybe we should show abortions on tv, not enough to where people would get desensitized, but enough that anybody who wants to have one would know what its all about.

Ive personally got no idea what all is done in an abortion, so i cant really picture a live baby being killed, i just assumed that they were injected with something and then sucked out. This story puts a picture to the procedure, and its sick.

Read the grand jury report. This goes in to detail with photographic evidence of what this monster did. He literally induced labor and killed live viable near term neonates with scissors to the back of the neck, often after the mother "precipitously" delivered a live baby while left alone in a drug induced stupor. He killed and maimed countless females with drug overdoses administered by unlicensed personnel or by uterine / bowel perforations.

Again, the ONLY reason he was finally busted was the illegal narcotic distribution his daytime "pain management" practice was performing. If he would have limited his "practice" to the third world butchering of late term pregnant women, his actions would have continued to be actively ignored by the state regulatory and law enforcement agencies of Pennsylvania. The people in charge of the Dept of Health have retained criminal defense lawyers at the expense of the taxpayers, because they are going to be prosecuted next.

These patients are just as vile as this ****er. They knew that Gosnell was the only method for late term abortion, and paid exorbitant amounts of cash up front for these procedures. His abortion practice was almost exclusively dedicated to servicing the post 24 week gestation clients, which is against the law. He knew it, the patients knew it, and the Penn DOH knew it. It was more important to keep all options available to anyone who might want an abortion... even if that meant ignoring the blatantly illegal and unethical practice of Gosnell.


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