Did Shanny Screw Our Season?
 

CP out again at practice, and almost certainly MIA for Indy. Tweaked and rusty for GB, if he's even on the field. We lose both games, and likely miss the playoffs. If a miracle does occur and we make the playoffs, CP will be far more gimpy than the team is letting on at present.

The fact is, Shanny got our main asset injured. Dr. Z has been all over this:

"On the sidelines, owner Pat Bowlen was swinging his leg in a kicking motion. In the stands the fans were yelling, "Kick it! Kick it!" No, it wasn't a drug habit they were screaming about. They just wanted the logical play when their team has reached the enemy 10 in overtime. Twenty-eight yard field goal. Game's over, everyone goes home to a nice warm dinner without any misgivings or second thoughts. No, the call was carry No. 38 forClinton Portis into the heart of a Cleveland defense that had been putting the wood to him all afternoon. I mean, why kick a 28-yarder when you can set up a 25-yarder, right? Which was what his three-yard gain earned the Broncos. And now all you hear are medical reports. Good news. The ankle is just sprained, not broken. The knee is just twisted, with no torn ligaments. The patient is resting comfortably. Oh my sweet ... what's with these coaches? Do they go into brainlock, or what? Three more yards! I can't go on without becoming incoherent."

So, how much blame falls to Shanny when we lose out, and then flame out if we sneak into the postseason? Or does he--again--get another pass for almost getting us there?

I wont .... it is Over time you have a tired Browns Defense on the field .... you always go for 6

Nice of Dr. Z to tell the whole story with Bowlen. Pat wasn't thinking injury, he was thinking fumble or pick, that's why he wanted Shanahan to kick.

and how much **** would Shanahan be getting now if gimpy Elam missed the kick in the swirling wind and Browns drive down and win it?

Portis doesn't blame Shanahan for what happened, so neither should we.

I think the whole argument is stupid, without shannahan, we wouldn't be anywhere near the playoffs. Please..... I guess you want to hire Bill Calahan? He'll be available. Im so sick of this argument I want to puke. Coaching in the week after is bush leauge.

I agree, if Elam misses from 34 yards out or something, we would be yelling at Shanny, saying, "why didn't we run CP closer for the score?"

This arguement is rediculous. If we lose that Browns game, our season is likely over, Shanny didn't want to take any risks, so he gave the ball to our best player and he got hurt!

you Knw it Bro , If Elam misses the Kick, then we have that Shanny was out Coached Bull comming back ........

Long Live the Inspector Callahan ;D

Dude,

You have to be the most negative, axe-grinding poster I have ever read.

Here are the titles for just some of the threads that you have personally started in the last couple of months.

Whistling Past the Graveyard
Yep, we'll be losing this game
What are the odds of Shanny being gone next year
Will we win another game this season
Time to blow up this team
Playcalling lost us this game
Time to take away Shannys GM duties
Is Shannys ego losing us games

Wow. A lot of finger-pointing and negativity there. Are you just a glass-is-half-empty kind of guy? Did you just become a Bronco fan when they won a Super Bowl? Do you think that Denver should kill every team by 45?

I really hope that you don't approach the rest of your life assigning blame in an obsessive manner such as this.

At the very least, I hope you can get SOME enjoyment out of the Broncos. I remember when it was enough that the Broncos beat the Raiders to make the season a success. Perhaps you have unrealistic goals????

Well damn Telluride, just give up on the season. Did you think the same thing when the Broncos lost back to back games against the Steelers and Niners back in '97? Things turned out pretty good then. I hope the players don't have your attitude.

Hey worm, thats the American way my man ;) Blame others and obsess about it Ha!

Bunch of backwoods barbarians we are. God its great to be an American!

Don't want Callahan, but I'll take any of the following, who have seriously outcoached Shanny in the last five years: Belichick, Billick, Reid.

Again, the point is that shanny is not a good coach. It's that he is stale here, and a change would be good. Also, he's a horrible, horrible personnel guy. Other than running backs, he hasn't a clue how to draft.

The fact you are in overtime with the Browns says all you need to know about the coach.

Losing to the Browns would probably have brought a tear to that glass eye of his...Vermeil wouldn't have been the only coach crying for a change.

yeah Over time with the Browns ..... We didnt look like a Power house , inFact we lost to Da bears , OT with the Borwns , But then we laid a 45-27 ass Whipping in the chiefs ...... That has to scare Chief fan to death ...... No wonder you Chiefies get all emotion and Mad when the word Fraud is brought up .........

Nah, the only chance that would bother me if it were coming from a team that wasn't 3 games back playing nearly the same schedule.

Then it again it might take a fraud to recognize one so maybe I should be concerned.

If this was the case, then why didn't he go for 6 at the end of the 4th. There was 11 or 12 seconds on the clock after they kicked the FG. It wasn't 4th down. They kick it during regulation, but run it in overtime.

What a dumb****.

Yeah whats worse is a team 3 games back , Playing the almost the same Schedule , and that same Poor team rolls up over 500 Yards on your D 3 weeks before Playoffs ...... Talk about a kick in the gut huh .Finding out right before Postseason that your team is merely frauds ...... Oh well SB are overrated anyway

No time outs , we dont get out of Bounds , then were screwed ....... Kiddies and football , I swear there should be a Clinic for Special Ed and football

I think we can all agree that telluride is an idiot and has been for a while...I remember at half time of the latest Chiefs game you were ripping on the Broncos and said they had no chance I told you it is a very close game with a whole half les why would you be giving up?

I've been a fan since the 70s, through the Red Miller days, through the Reeves and Phillips and now Shanny days. And I've usually been optimistic, because, even in bad years, we never seemed to be stuck in neutral. The team may have had an off year or two or several, but there were changes that boded well for its future. Of late--for the last five years at least--it has been perpetual deja vu. We underachieve, blow a few easy games, miss the playoffs by one or two games. (Or, in the single case, make the postseason then get slammed by Baltimore.) We then enter the new season full of hope, only to repeat exactly the previous year's routine. Add our yearly blown drafts, poor free agent pickups, and Shanny's refusal to bounce Kubiak and/or update his tired playbook, and here we are again.

I'd love nothing better than to win out, roll into the playoffs, take the wildcard path to the SB, and win. I can't see it happening, however, not with this schizophrenic team, a gimpy CP, and Shanny's very stale game planning.

Yes, I'm a homer, in the sense that this is my team, and always will be. But being a fan also means being realistic, not fan-boy delusional. And when people like Krieger or Dr. Z or some of the posters suggest that we hold shanny accountable for the overall averageness of the team during the past five seasons, that's not being negative or overly critical or simply "trying to sell papers." That is also being a fan.

Shanny and the team have frustrated me this season. We have lost games we should not have lost. We should have had a better draft class. We should be positioned better for a post season run. And ultimately, the coach is responsible. Dungy was bounced, and is doing well. Belichick was bounced, and is doing well. Parcells...well, he's a whole 'nother story. The point is that it might be time for a change here, regardless of how the season ends.

One last thing. Just because a post is not all overheated fan-boy musings--We're the Best!--doesn't invalidate it or make the poster and idiot. You can criticize a team and still love the team.

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Not being a homer and being critical doesn't make you an idiot...you are right...

Being sure that your own team is going to lose a game that is close at halftime in your house does make you an idiot.

We were not going to throw the ball in that situation, and at the 10, how much closer do you think your going to get? Like Portis didn't have a big red target on him that said "kill me".

You let your highest paid kicker knock it thru from the 10.

:yawn:

As if it matters anymore.

You know if you never put Portis in at all then he wouldn't get injured.

Say he would have put in someone cold at RB the guy fumbles...he is an idiot

The kicker misses....he is an idiot

I don't see anything wrong with your coaches decision...

Why don't you go and become a fan of one of those teams. You can go and complain on their message boards.

Shanahan is a horrible personnel guy? I bet you weren't saying that during the Super Bowl years. When he took a team that only had a QB, a TE and a safety, and turned it into a very talented team.