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epicSocialism4tw 09-08-2005 07:13 AM

Nuggets Land Paul Pierce?
 
InsideHoops.com Source: Paul Pierce is Gone
By InsideHoops.com | Sept. 7, 2005 A source informed InsideHoops.com editor Jeff Lenchiner Wednesday evening that the Boston Celtics are expected to trade all-star guard/forward Paul Pierce to the Denver Nuggets for guard Andre Miller and forward/center Nene.

It's not known if other players are involved in the completion of the deal.

Rascal 09-08-2005 07:15 AM

What!!!!

~!@#$%^&*())(*&^%$#@!~

Master___Pain 09-08-2005 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama
InsideHoops.com Source: Paul Pierce is Gone
By InsideHoops.com | Sept. 7, 2005 A source informed InsideHoops.com editor Jeff Lenchiner Wednesday evening that the Boston Celtics are expected to trade all-star guard/forward Paul Pierce to the Denver Nuggets for guard Andre Miller and forward/center Nene.

It's not known if other players are involved in the completion of the deal.

**** that!!!

Nuggets4 09-08-2005 07:41 AM

The N4 jersey curse continues. Any time I get a player's jersey, BAM, he's gone. Now I've gotta find a way to get Miller taken off of the back of my jerseys and my last name put on. Dammit.

That said, and everyone here knows how big of a Miller fan I am, we HAVE to do this deal. I'm surprised to see negative comments. Let's face it, Nene will NEVER live up to his potential here. He's not happy. He gets less rebounds per game than some guards in the league. It's time to move him, we have the depth up front. I would much rather deal Boykins, but this is the type of move that could catapult the team to the top. Pierce is going to be like Vince Carter was last year in NJ -- you're going to see him EXPLODE when he moves on to prove himself. Remember, he almost single handedly carried Boston to the conference finals a few years ago.

I will admit this makes me worried about the PG situation though. My thoughts on Boykins are pretty well known and I just haven't watched enough of Watson to feel completely comfortable with him starting at the PG position (and he would undoubtedly start over Boykins). That said, Kiki has to make this move if it's offered.

Anyone know a place that alters NBA jerseys?

Rascal 09-08-2005 07:57 AM

Our backcourt situation especially PG is scary if we go through with this. Boykins as our starting PG...nightmares all season.

Nuggets4 09-08-2005 07:59 AM

Boykins won't be our starter. Remember, Watson started for Memphis a good chunk of last season. I know he was finishing games for them as well as Williams was too unpredictable.

The more I think about this deal, the more excited I get. One thing people forget is that Hodge can play the point for us as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see him and Earl on the court at the same time with Hodge running the point and Earl doing the gunning.

Two recent quotes from The Sports Guys articles:

Quote:

28. "We need you. Hell, I need you. I'm a mess without you. I miss you so damned much. I miss being with you. I mess being near you. I miss your laugh. I miss your scent. I miss your musk. When this all gets sorted out, I think you and me should get an apartment together."

To the Celtics' front office and coach Doc Rivers, who need to start saying similar things to Paul Pierce every day from this point on ... or else he's going to make Vince Carter's Operation Sabotage in Toronto look like child's play by comparison. Pierce is 28 years old, nearly made the NBA Finals three years ago, is the fourth-highest scorer in the league since 1997, and is one of those guys who watches old playoff games on ESPN Classic and NBA TV and wishes he was playing in them. You really think he wants to go through another rebuilding effort and bridge the gap between the Pierce/Antoine Era and the Green/Jefferson Era? Please.

(Prediction: This is going to end badly. Repeat: Badly. They're doing the right thing with the youth movement, but they need to move Pierce before they're getting 30 cents on the dollar in December. Which is precisely how this will play out. I'm telling you.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...s/050805&num=0
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24. Paul Pierce I kept waiting to see the following post on Craigslist this week: "Available: NBA superstar making max money, three years left on the deal, once led us within two wins of the NBA Finals, surprisingly durable for a shooting guard who attacks the basket, gives you a 25-6-6 every night, still in his prime, can be a little moody, probably just needs a change of scenery. Asking: 90-95 cents on the dollar (but willing to discuss). Please keep hush-hush. If interested, reply to Mormon44@gmail.com."

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/...simmons/050701

epicSocialism4tw 09-08-2005 08:37 AM

I love Watson...he's a dirty work guy and is pretty versatile. He wont penetrate much off of the dribble, but he wont have to if Pierce is there. Pierce an do plenty of that.

I dont know if I like Pierce playing with Melo though. They are both a little lazy. Maybe Martin will stay in his ear.

RhymesayersDU 09-08-2005 09:25 AM

I hate this forum. I like having everything in 1 big forum. But I digress.

I'd cream my pants if we got Pierce. I mean, Andre is a quality guy you hate to lose, but we gotta do it. As for Nene, I wanted them to pull the trigger on that at the trade deadline last season, so he can go.

Master___Pain 09-08-2005 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4
The N4 jersey curse continues. Any time I get a player's jersey, BAM, he's gone. Now I've gotta find a way to get Miller taken off of the back of my jerseys and my last name put on. Dammit.

That said, and everyone here knows how big of a Miller fan I am, we HAVE to do this deal. I'm surprised to see negative comments. Let's face it, Nene will NEVER live up to his potential here. He's not happy. He gets less rebounds per game than some guards in the league. It's time to move him, we have the depth up front. I would much rather deal Boykins, but this is the type of move that could catapult the team to the top. Pierce is going to be like Vince Carter was last year in NJ -- you're going to see him EXPLODE when he moves on to prove himself. Remember, he almost single handedly carried Boston to the conference finals a few years ago.

I will admit this makes me worried about the PG situation though. My thoughts on Boykins are pretty well known and I just haven't watched enough of Watson to feel completely comfortable with him starting at the PG position (and he would undoubtedly start over Boykins). That said, Kiki has to make this move if it's offered.

Anyone know a place that alters NBA jerseys?


Thanks for the enlightement. I was under the assumption that PP was not a locker room guy and that he would be somewhat of a problem there.

As a hoopster, he would be the SG the Nuggs need. Now let's wait and see if this actually happens.

How do the salaries line up?

The nuggs must like the kid from Mizzou.

Nuggets4 09-08-2005 11:17 AM

Quote:

Ranking the Small Forwards

*snip*

1. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Shawn Marion, Phoenix Suns
3. Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz
4. Richard Jefferson, New Jersey Nets
5. Ron Artest, Indiana Pacers

6. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
Ht./Wt. 6-6, 230
Numbers: 21.6 pts., 6.6 reb., 4.2 ast.
Despite his obviously immense talent, a lot of people are split on what Pierce's value is because of his moody, erratic play that always affects his play and his teammates. He could play at a superstar level again, but most people doubt it.

7. Peja Stojakovic, Sacramento Kings
8. Rashard Lewis, Seattle SuperSonics

9. Carmelo Anthony, Denver Nuggets
Ht./Wt.: 6-8, 225
Numbers: 20.8 pts., 5.7 reb., 2.6 ast.
The beginning of last season was a nightmare for Anthony, but when coach George Karl rescued the team from disaster, Anthony snapped out of his funk and began to perform at an All-Star level. If he continues to grow up, stardom is inevitable.

10. Lamar Odom, Los Angeles Lakers

*SNIP*

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/4826916
Just food for thought.

Nuggets4 09-08-2005 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Master___Pain
How do the salaries line up?

The new CBA means that you just have to be within 25% to do a deal. These salaries are just that.

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Originally Posted by Master___Pain
The nuggs must like the kid from Mizzou.

As much as I hated the pick on draft night, Kleiza is proving me wrong. I watched him in a few summer league games and he looked GOOD out there. The Nugs are REALLY high on him as well. I'd expect him to be our primary back up at the 3 and give us a solid 15-20 mpg.

Master___Pain 09-08-2005 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4
The new CBA means that you just have to be within 25% to do a deal. These salaries are just that.



As much as I hated the pick on draft night, Kleiza is proving me wrong. I watched him in a few summer league games and he looked GOOD out there. The Nugs are REALLY high on him as well. I'd expect him to be our primary back up at the 3 and give us a solid 15-20 mpg.

Can He bang with 4's?

Nuggets4 09-08-2005 12:04 PM

In limited minutes, yes.

Master___Pain 09-08-2005 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4
In limited minutes, yes.

Excellent
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Clockwork Orange 09-08-2005 12:44 PM

I'll believe this if it actually happens. These Paul Pierce rumors have been floating around all offseason.

I have two major concerns about Pierce. Number one is how would he get along with George Karl. It's no secret that they didn't exactly part on good terms when Karl coached him in the World Championships and we've already seen some backlash from that when Michael Finley didn't even make the Nuggets one of his considerations.

The second is even if he gets along with Karl, will he play the up tempo style of game that made the Nuggets so successful in the 2nd half of last season? I've heard talk about how Pierce clashed a bit with Doc Rivers over the fact that Pierce wasn't running. If he doesn't want to run, he simply won't fit in here.

Other than that I don't have any real problem with it other than seeing who the other players involved would be. Pierce is an All-Star caliber two guard who would give the Nuggets a sorely needed reliable 2nd scoring option. Trading Miller would be softened by the addition of Earl Watson. Watson isn't as good a passer and playmaker as Miller, but he's about even with him as far as scoring and superior defensively. They'd better get a big man back in the deal unless they want to rely on Najera and rookie Linus Kleiza for big minutes if/when Camby gets hurt again.

We'll see.

Nuggets4 09-08-2005 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange
They'd better get a big man back in the deal unless they want to rely on Najera and rookie Linus Kleiza for big minutes if/when Camby gets hurt again.

I've heard a lot of people say this. Everyone keeps forgetting about Francisco Elson. I think he's SERIOUSLY underrated and could be a solid rotation player on this team.

GonzoLays 09-08-2005 03:34 PM

Well, I am Boston Fan, and for people like Nuggs4 to say that Pierce is going to "blow up" this season couldn't be farther from the truth. First of all, Pierce averaged 22 points, 7 rebounds, and 4 assists last season while shooting 45% from the field. How exactly will Pierce blow up? His career high for scoring is 25 points per game.

Second of all, why should Boston trade Pierce? He has led the league in 4th quarter scoring, he has led all two guards/small forwards in the free throw attempts the past couple of years, he is only 27 years old and is a proven commodity in this league.

I think the trade rumor is bunk myself, but even if the trade did go down, you guys would be raping us. Nene can't rebound for sh*t. Andre is good point guard, but hardly worthy of being part of a two for one involving Pierce.

labronco 09-08-2005 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays
I think the trade rumor is bunk myself, but even if the trade did go down, you guys would be raping us. Nene can't rebound for sh*t. Andre is good point guard, but hardly worthy of being part of a two for one involving Pierce.

If the trade goes down, which I don't think will happen, i wouldn't say Denver would be raping Boston. Andre can't shoot past 10ft, but he can be an all star point man in the East. Pierce is an allstar, but he is slow, and I am not sure how he would fit into nuggets' running game. He also plays a lot like Carmelo, and I am not sure that really fits into Nuggets plan. Nene's value now is very underestimated. He was supposed to have a breakout year last year, but he was hurt for much of the season. He is a strong, young dude. He runs like a deer for a big man, and I think his rebounding and outside shooting will only get better. Supposedly, the Nuggets turned down the trade of Nene for Michael Redd last year.

The trade is interesting, but I am not sure if it really is one sided as some may think.

OrangeShadow 09-08-2005 06:30 PM

as a celts fan i do not want us to make this move. we have a young solid foundation.

labronco 09-08-2005 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4
Anyone know a place that alters NBA jerseys?

How'bout NFL jerseys? I got SOB jersey. Can't burn it. Cost me a bundle.

labronco 09-08-2005 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeShadow
as a celts fan i do not want us to make this move. we have a young solid foundation.

You can't put 5 guards on the floor.

Bronco9798 09-08-2005 07:27 PM

But late Thursday morning a high-ranking member of the Celtics organization personally informed InsideHoops.com that the rumor is incorrect.

Crush Girl 09-13-2005 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco9798
But late Thursday morning a high-ranking member of the Celtics organization personally informed InsideHoops.com that the rumor is incorrect.

D*mn! I might have actually became a Nuggets fan if they landed Pierce!

GonzoLays 09-13-2005 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by labronco
You can't put 5 guards on the floor.


Who needs five guards on the floor when you have Al Jefferson, Raef Laferentz and Kendrick Perkins to man the middle. Plus, don't discount the STEAL of the draft, Ryan Gomes. He is 6'7" and has a wingspan of a 7'2" player. He averaged a double double in college and is able to play the two, three, and four spots.

Celtic domination is on the way...

epicSocialism4tw 09-13-2005 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays
Who needs five guards on the floor when you have Al Jefferson, Raef Laferentz and Kendrick Perkins to man the middle. Plus, don't discount the STEAL of the draft, Ryan Gomes. He is 6'7" and has a wingspan of a 7'2" player. He averaged a double double in college and is able to play the two, three, and four spots.

Celtic domination is on the way...

Maybe in a few years, but that team is way too young. I really havent seen anything from Perkins to warrant his high draft selection. Jefferson is a bit overrated by the E. Coast media, but he does have a future in the league.

The C's do have some guards and forwards who will be solid players. Green looked like a future all-star in the summer league. The OSU kid is a solid player. They have a future for sure.


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