Libertarian 2004 Presidential Thread
You know, almost every thread in this forum is dealing with W or Kerry and I just thought it was time for a third party thread as a result. So, without commentary, cartoons or arguement from me, I'll simply post articles dealing with the Presidential bid of the Libertarian canadate for President, Michael Badnarik. I don't have to try to sell this stuff, it sells itself to those who are receptive to it, so I have no intention of debating it with anyone.
My aim in doing this is to provide an option to those who may be reading this stuff in this forum and yet may not be satisfied with either W or Kerry....if it leads to one person voting in November for a party that represents his/her views/heart rather than the "lesser of two evils", then it all would've been worthwhile............so without further ado, the Libertarian option:
Libertarians Call for 365-Day Sales Tax Holiday
The Libertarian Party of Texas believes that the Sales Tax Holiday on August 6th through 8th is insufficient aid to families. True aid for families should come in a sales tax cut on all items, all year round- not just a one-time exemption on a handful of commodities.
(-PRWEB-) August 7, 2004 -- While state government officials in Austin praise the savings families will realize from the annual Sales Tax Holiday beginning August 6th, the Libertarian Party of Texas believes the three-day holiday is nothing to crow about.
"The popularity of the tax holiday demonstrates clearly that a healthy economy is promoted by lower taxes, and that people do not appreciate paying higher prices to fund government bureaucracies," said Pat Dixon, state chairman of the Libertarian Party.
"The officials in Austin- both Republicans and Democrats- regard the Sales Tax Holiday as a gift for their constituents," added Kris Overstreet, Polk County chair for the Libertarian Party of Texas. "They seem to have forgotten that the money taken in sales taxes doesn't belong to them- it belongs to the people."
The two main points Libertarians object to in the Sales Tax Holiday are:
* The Sales Tax Holiday, instituted to aid families in preparing children for school, lasts only three days out of a 366-day year. "Families don't stop being families for 363 days- they're families year round," Overstreet said.
* The Sales Tax Holiday only applies to a limited group of goods- generally children's clothing and school supplies. "The Sales Tax Holiday deceives people by its name," said Overstreet, "into thinking that all their purchases this weekend are tax-free- which is the farthest thing from the truth."
The Libertarian Party feels that the holiday is a good thing- but it doesn't go far enough. Libertarians call for state government to cut wasteful spending, stop borrowing money through the issue of bonds, and cut the sales tax all the year, on all products- not just for one weekend.
"If voters want a permanent, year long tax holiday, they can help by putting Libertarian candidates in office this November," said Dixon.
The Libertarian Party will field over seventy candidates in the Texas general election in November, including Presidential candidate Michael Badnarik. These candidates support the Libertarian Party of Texas platform, which says in part, "…we seek to reduce government spending to an absolute minimum, reduce taxes to match, and explore means of funding vital government functions without taxation."
IT GROWS AS IT GOES: BADNARIK SEEKS MOMENTUM IN NEW MEXICO
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AUGUST 8, 2004
Albuquerque, NM - Will the 2004 election turn on New Mexico's five electoral votes? It's impossible to tell -- but the nation's presidential hopefuls are converging on this battleground state for a showdown. The decisive factor may very well be the dark horse campaign of Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik.
Already polling at 5% in a Rasmussen survey of 620 New Mexico adults, Badnarik arrives today for a week-long visit. He's intent on adding to the impact of his campaign's $65,000 ad campaign in the state.
New Mexico may or may not be the decisive state in November. But, says Badnarik, "it is decisive right now in terms of establishing the nation's real political center. By being competitive here, I force the Republicans and Democrats to explain themselves to voters nationwide."
"And the thing is," he continues, "they can't explain themselves. New Mexicans are asking the tough questions -- and they're getting poor answers from everyone except me."
Badnarik's ads take equal opportunity shots at Bush and Kerry on issues from the Iraq war to deficit spending to immigration. "Our goal isn't to pick on either of the bad candidates," says Badnarik's communications director, Stephen Gordon. "It's to highlight the best candidate and to create a permanent, key voting bloc supporting a set of truly American principles and policies. By viably competing in battleground states, we attract the attention needed to gain momentum everywhere."
Badnarik agrees. "When I get our message in front of the voters, they respond," he says. "What's been missing in previous elections is the ability to contend at the ballot box. We're changing that right here, right now. I'm in this to win, and we're moving the nation's political center permanently toward liberty."
As the Libertarian Party's presidential nominee, Badnarik will be a ballot choice for voters in 49 or 50 states and the District of Columbia.
LIBERTARIAN LAST ANTIWAR CANDIDATE LEFT STANDING
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August 11th, 2004
LIBERTARIAN LAST ANTIWAR CANDIDATE LEFT STANDING
Albuquerque, NM - It's hard to pin John Kerry down. He might add troops. Or he might bring troops out. Or maybe he'd put together a bigger alliance to keep the troop level steady. John Kerry might do a lot of things about Iraq, but on Monday he made his one unequivocal statement on the issue: Had he been president, he'd have taken the US to war in Iraq too.
"When John Kerry takes a firm position, I'm willing to take him at his word," says Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik. "Such a rare occurrence commands that much respect.
"So here's another question for John Kerry," Badnarik continues. "Why should the majority of Americans who now believe that the war was a tragic mistake vote for him?"
One might expect Badnarik to display a certain elation -- he's the only antiwar candidate likely to be on most Americans' ballots this November -- but the usually enthusiastic candidate's reaction is atypically somber.
"We've lost nearly 1,000 young American men and women in Iraq so far. Why am I the only candidate who's willing to admit that a mistake was made? Why am I the only candidate with a plan to bring the troops home? Bush wants to continue it. Kerry wants to expand it. Nader wants to internationalize it. I want to end it."
Badnarik, stumping in New Mexico, recently polled at a solid 5% even before starting his recent television and radio advertising blitz, and could easily be in the position of being able to determine the outcome of November's election in the state at the end of this short campaign trek. He has put Iraq's new government, and the international community, on notice that America will withdraw its troops "with all due speed consistent with their safety" upon his inauguration. "It's not as simple as 'get them on the planes,'" he says. "But it isn't complicated. We'll give notice and begin a 90-day phased withdrawal. If the new Iraqi government or an international force can relieve US forces in place, fine. But that's their job to figure out. We're going."
Early on, Badnarik's candidacy was seen as most damaging to the prospects of President Bush. "That's changed," says Badnarik's polling director, Rolf Lindgren. "The Democrats wrote off the antiwar vote at their convention, and Kerry just sealed it with a kiss-off. When Kerry's war position is made known, Badnarik's poll numbers climb well into double digits -- at Kerry's expense."
Badnarik hopes to become competitive by concentrating on "battleground" states, generating momentum by being the decisive factor. The war issue, he admits, is good for that. "But all in all, I'd rather they took it away from me by doing the right thing. Some things are above politics -- but apparently most politicians aren't."
68% Say Badnarik Should Be Invited to Debates
Should Badnarik Be Invited to Presidential Debates?
Not Sure 12%
Tuesday July 27, 2004--Sixty-eight percent (68%) of American adults believe that Libertarian Party candidate Michael Badnarik should be invited to participate in the Presidential Debates this year. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that just 20% believe Badnarik should not be invited while 12% are not sure.
The Libertarian Party candidate has been on the ballot in all 50 states for each of the past three elections and Badnarik is expected to be on every state ballot this November.
When voters were asked to choose between President George W. Bush, Senator John Kerry, and Badnarik, 46% said they would vote for the Democrat, 43% for the Republican, and 3% for Badnarik.
However, 29% of voters said there are circumstances under which they would consider voting for Badnarik. That includes 25% of Bush voters and 30% of Kerry voters.
When voters are informed that Badnarik opposes both the War in Iraq and the Drug War, 34% say they would consider Badnarik. That figure includes just 11% of Bush voters and 50% of Kerry voters.
The survey also found that 10% of Americans identify their political ideology as libertarian rather than conservative or liberal. Sixty-two percent (62%) share the Libertarian view that tax dollars should not be spent to support the Republican and Democratic National Conventions.
WITH BLINDERS ON? BUSH CAMPAIGN WRITES OFF LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE
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AUGUST 12, 2004
SANTA FE, NM - In a close presidential election which may turn on the results in a few "battleground" states, every vote counts. Or does it?
Despite the 2000 Florida voting fiasco, which held up election results and ultimately sent them to the Supreme Court, George W. Bush's re-election campaign seems to have overlooked the potential effect of
"third party" candidates this November.
"This is a race between the president of the United States and John Kerry," Bush spokesman Danny Diaz told the Santa Fe New Mexican on Wednesday when asked about the prospects of Libertarian presidential
candidate Michael Badnarik, "and voters will make their decision between those two candidates."
Typical reaction -- but not so fast, say Badnarik staffers.
"Our candidate was at 5% in New Mexico last week," says campaign manager Fred Collins, referring to a recent Rasmussen poll of the state. "Now he's visiting the state and advertising. He will be the decisive factor in New Mexico -- and other states -- come election day."
And the candidate himself? "I'm not surprised," says Badnarik, 50, of Austin, Texas. "The typical approach of Republicans and Democrats is to ignore Libertarians. If they acknowledge us, they have to debate us. If they debate us, they lose."
"The 'ignore the man behind the curtain' approach won't work this year, though," he says, "We're speaking loudly enough to be heard over the bipartisan white noise."
Previous polling shows Badnarik at 3% nationwide and covering the gap between Kerry and Bush in several swing states. His campaign hopes to build momentum by positioning itself as the alternative to two very similar candidates on foreign policy, civil liberties and economic issues.
"A choice between Bush and Kerry is no choice at all," says Badnarik. "And their heads we win, tails you lose pitch to the voters won't play this time. They're telling voters 'you have no choice.' I'm telling voters that their votes count. And they're listening."
Then he backs off a bit. "Correction: Some of them are listening. It doesn't surprise me that Bush's people aren't. They hear what they want to hear. Does 'WMDs in Iraq' ring any bells? Maybe he's staffing his campaign with former intelligence operatives."
Badnarik will appear on the ballot in 49 or 50 states this year. The Libertarian Party is America's third largest, with more than 600 appointed and elected officials serving in public office under its banner.
Your tugging at my liberal roots Hogan. I have seen bullshiat on both isles. I have become rather pragmatic in my old age. After seeing Bush's totally pathetic 9/11 ad, there is no way Kerry loses Florida.
With Bab's Jr. at his side, Bush laments "How would you like to decide which of your children you pick up after 9/11?" WTF is that, and it has piano music behind it.
First off, the children were taken out as charred mush. It's rediculous. Then he makes another assertion that Iraq is responsible for 9/11. This election is over. If Bush had a brain, he would of inserted Cheney as Defense, and taken on McCain as veep.
I have never seen such a crapola ad that plays right into Kerry's hands. It's a "we are going to keep slugging it out against thousands of angry Iraqis that want us gone" routine.
Everyone including Mock's Cat knows that the Shia are going to install a Theocracy and align with Iran. I never approved with disarming Iraq's Army. We should of promised to leave as soon as Saddam was taken out, provided aid to friendly forces and let the cards fall as they may. What has happened is they were happy to see Saddam gone, but want to determine their own future. Now it's a cluster **** as America is not seen as a liberator but an occupier.
Hogan, as for the sales tax holiday, it is a nice idea but it could not be expanded into a year-round holiday. Texas has no state income tax. Property taxes are already to the breaking point. The state government already funds itself with gimmicks like a lottery and fees for all sorts of government services.
Like a lot of Libertarian ideas, it is simply impractical to insist on expanding the tax holiday concept. The only logical way to counteract the loss of the sales tax would be to institute a state income tax and it would be political suicide for any Texas politician to be in favor of it other than one from the far left. The cure would be worse than the ailment. We Texans DO get a tax holiday every day because we aren't paying a state income tax.
While the Libertarian Party does have some attractive ideas (and I certainly encourage any Democrats who want to vote for one to, by all means, do so), they seem to have one true calling in life and that is to legalize drugs. Give a Libertarian five minutes to speak and you are guaranteed to see them bring up drugs. Deep down, they just want to get stoned without needing to look over their shoulders for the police. It's why they can't generate more than 2% of the vote in most elections. They are a party with only one real goal.
right here is an example of the problem with this country. People that are too comfortable with the status quo and are willing to let this country keep sliding down the ****ter.
Texas bob, do us a favor and do not vote in the next election. You will do more harm than good.
You support a man who claims to be honest and full of integrity, and he's nothing but a pile of ****. And kerry's no better, but hell that's what is wrong with this country is lazy a-holes from texas ****ing everything up.
I did a report on the Libertarian Party WAY back in high school. They do have some nice idealistic plans. However, they wouldn't work in real America. For instance, they want to limit the government to providing for the common defense of the country like the Constitution outlines. Too many people depend on government programs these days. I don't like it, but it's reality. The person who tries to eliminate all sorts of government programs across the board will be drummed out of office so fast it wouldn't be funny. The left wants to say that Bush lost X amount of jobs in his tenure. That would be nothing if the Libertarians ever get their way.
Any Libertarians who want more of a tax holiday should watch what the Bush administration is planning. There appears to be momentum building to phase out the IRS and replace it with a national sales tax.
It's a longshot at this point but if both houses become solidly Republican and Bush gets behind the idea (he's sending signals that he's open to it), we could see at long last the end of federal income taxes which FDR introduced as temporary some 70 years ago.
While some economists disagree, even if consumer prices were to go up due a national sales tax, consumers will be shocked to see how much more money their paychecks will hold without mandatory withholding slicing 20-30% out of it off the top.
Libertarians might have an even better idea on cutting taxes but they don't have a majority anywhere to actually enact what they propose. At least for now, Republicans do.
I don't think that's a fair characterization of libertarians. The most common issue I hear libertarians of any note raise is repeal of the federal income tax. I agree with your points about the impracticality of a year-long sales tax holiday in Texas, but it isn't true that libertarians make drug legalization their ultimate issue.
Libertarian Presidential Candidate to Visit the San Francisco Bay Area for the Second Time Since His Nomination
Michael Badnarik campaigns three days in San Francisco Bay Area as part of a twelve-day California tour this month. Libertarian candidate for U.S. Senator from California Judge Jim Gray to join him at many events.
WALNUT CREEK, CA (-PRWEB-) August 17, 2004 -- Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian Party Presidential Nominee, will be making a campaign swing through the San Francisco Bay Area three days next week, spending August 19th through the 21st here. This is his second campaign trip to California since his nomination in late May; Badnarik flew to California to be the only Presidential candidate in the San Francisco LGBT Pride parade June 27th.
The Badnarik/Campagna ticket is expected to be on the ballot in 49 or 50 states, far more than any other Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates besides Kerry/Edwards and Bush/Cheney. The Nader/Camejo ticket, for instance, failed last week to submit enough signatures to make it onto the California ballot and has been rejected by the Greens in a ploy to unseat Cobb as the party nominee in California.
Badnarik is polling at around 3% both nationwide and in California. In a more recent Rasmussen poll in New Mexico, (another state Nader is still not on the ballot,) Badnarik received 5% of likely voters' support. Badnarik has since begun a television and radio advertising campaign in that battleground state. Unlike Cobb's 'safe states' strategy, Badnarik and Campagna are campaigning in both 'safe' and 'swing' states.
Badnarik will be joined by Judge Jim Gray for much of his California tour including most of the events in the Bay Area. Judge Gray is the Libertarian candidate for U.S. Senate seeking incumbent Barbara Boxer's seat. Gray has recently polled at 8% of likely voters, garnering an even higher 18% when voters where asked which candidate (Boxer, Jones, or Gray) they would vote for, if their vote alone could decide the outcome of the election.
Badnarik and Gray will be making appearances at public rallies, town-hall meetings, membership-only events, fundraising dinners, and (some) media appointments together.
They will also be joining Mike Denny, former candidate for mayor of San Francisco, in honoring the volunteer efforts of the St. Andrew's Missionary Baptist Church Youth Group in a joint Church/Libertarian event.
In another unique event, Badnarik will speak to movie-goers prior to the first matinee showing of Farenheit 9/11 Saturday morning at the Grand Lake Theater in Oakland.
Some details of Badnarik's local itinerary follow. Judge Jim Gray will be joining Badnarik in most events from Thursday evening onward. Unless otherwise noted, the public is invited to all events except media appointments.
Thursday, August 19th
12:00-1:00 PM - Commonwealth Club, Club Office, 595 Market St, 2nd floor, San Francisco ($8-$15)
2:00-3:00 PM - Reserved for media appointment (San Francisco)
4:00-5:00 PM- Town Hall Meeting, LGBT Community Center, 1800 Market Street, Ceremonial Room, San Francisco ($20)
6:00-9:00 PM- Harrington's Bar and Grill (no cover), 245 Front Street, San Francisco
Friday, August 20th
10:00-11:00 AM - Building Owners and Managers Association (members only)
11:00-12:00 PM - Live on-air debate with KGO AM810's Gene Burns (San Francisco)
4:00-5:00 PM - Reserved for media appointment (San Francisco)
6:00-7:00 PM- Reserved for media appointment (Fresno, by phone from Alamo)
7:00-10:00 PM - Round Hill Golf and Country Club ($100), 3169 Round Hill Road, Alamo
Saturday, August 21st
11:15-11:45 AM - Grand Lake Theater (prior to Fahrenheit 9/11 showing), 3200 Grand Avenue, Oakland, CA ($6 to see the movie)
2:30-4:00 PM - St. Andrew's Missionary Baptist Church Youth Group joint event, Waterfront Restaurant ($100), Pier 7 (Broadway and the Embarcadero), San Francisco
6:00-9:15 PM - Four Points by Sheraton ($75), 1250 Lakeside Drive, Sunnyvale
Go to http://www.lpty.net/badnarik for up to the minute schedule information, reservations and on-line payments.
To schedule a local media appointment please contact Richard Newell by email at firstname.lastname@example.org or phone at (408) 882-4785, or Allen Hacker, the Badnarik California campaign coordinator at (650) 465-7387. To schedule Judge Jim Gray contact his campaign manager, Julia El-Haj , at email@example.com or his office manager, Pardis, at firstname.lastname@example.org, or call his headquarters at (888) Judge-Jim (583-4354).
About the Michael Badnarik for President Campaign
Michael Badnarik is a 50-year-old computer programmer, technical trainer, and Constitutional scholar from Austin, Texas. He won the Libertarian Party's nomination for President of the United States at the Party's national convention on May 30th, 2004. His running mate, Richard Compagna is an attorney, consultant, teacher, and translator of six languages living near Iowa City, Iowa.
'Realign' our troops back home, Mr. Bush
WASHINGTON, DC -- President Bush's plan for a massive realignment of U.S. troops is half right, says Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik: All U.S. forces should be re-deployed -- right back to the United States.
"Bush wants to remove U.S. troops from places where they don't belong, then put them in other places where they don't belong," says Badnarik. "It's time to bring all of our men and women home and start using them for defensive purposes only."
In a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars on Monday in Cincinnati, Bush announced that in order to make the military more agile in the war on terrorism, approximately 70,000 U.S. troops would be shifted from Cold War-era bases in Europe and Asia.
Some would be stationed in the United States, while others would be sent to the Middle East, the former Soviet republics and South Asia.
But moving more U.S. troops into the Middle East and volatile central Asian nations may provoke more terrorism than it prevents, Libertarians say.
"The U.S. military presence in the Middle East has been used as a justification for several terrorist attacks, including the September 11 tragedy," Badnarik said.
"How long can politicians pretend to be surprised when terrorist threats turn into bloody reality? How many more innocent Americans have to lose their lives before U.S. policy makers come to their senses and stop interfering in other nations' affairs?"
While removing U.S. troops from Germany 15 years after the collapse of the Soviet threat is a positive development, putting them in harm's way elsewhere makes no sense, Badnarik says.
"Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says the goal of Bush's plan is to create more 'deployment locations' for U.S. troops," he notes. "But what politicians call deployment locations are actually wars waiting to happen.
"In recent history, presidents have deployed our troops to locations like Vietnam, Lebanon, Bosnia, Somalia and Iraq, and each time Americans died needlessly. The lesson is that politicians can't be trusted to distinguish between national defense and military adventurism.
"Bush's plan is nothing more than more military adventurism, and it's only a matter of time before innocent Americans pay the price -- again."
Ohio Libertarians to File 10,000 Petition Signatures for Michael Badnarik
The Libertarian Party of Ohio has gathered 10,000 signatures, double the number needed to place its Presidential candidate, Michael Badnarik, on the ballot in November. They plan to submit these signatures to Secretary Blackwell's office on Wednesday, August 18th at 3pm.
Ohio Libertarians had previously filed 57,150 signatures to be recognized as a political party in Ohio and place all of its candidates on this year's ballot, but the Secretary of State's office disregarded these petitions. The issue is now in federal court.
"We have gathered these signatures to ensure our Presidential candidate's place on the ballot," notes State Chair Jason Hallmark, "but we are hoping for a successful resolution to our ballot access lawsuit. Ohio is the most restrictive state in the country regarding participation in American democracy."
"It is true that Secretary Blackwell refuses to acknowledge our existence as a political party, even though we have full-time employees, interns, and county affiliates meeting monthly all over the state," replies LPO Executive Director Robert Butler, "By keeping us off the ballot, Blackwell is engaging in the worst kind of political games while disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of voters. Someone needs to stand up and point out that the Emperor has no clothes!"
"Many Ohio voters are unhappy with Kerry and Bush," reports Hallmark, "If you cast your vote for the lessor of two evils, you are still voting for evil. The only wasted vote is a vote for a candidate you don't truly agree with."
If these 10,000 signatures are counted, Michael Badnarik will be placed on the ballot as "other party" candidate.
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