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Taco John 06-23-2014 12:56 PM

How are Obama and the IRS getting away with a blatant coverup?
 
To understand the latest outrage in the IRS scandal, mull over what might happen if regulators found significant evidence to implicate Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein in an insider trading scheme.

Let’s say Blankfein asserted his Fifth Amendment right not to answer any questions. Say Goldman was subpoenaed to provide all of Blankfein’s emails. Goldman replied that, instead of complying with the subpoena, it was itself reviewing the emails in question and was considering which ones to release.

Now imagine that, nearly a year later, Goldman admitted that it had not, in fact, reviewed the emails in question, because they had been lost in a computer crash two months before it claimed to be reviewing them. Imagine Goldman also said copies of the emails were lost, because while under subpoena, it had destroyed the “backup tapes” (whatever those are) that held them and that it had also thrown away Blankfein’s actual hard drive.

More:
http://nypost.com/2014/06/21/why-are...atant-coverup/

Taco John 06-23-2014 01:01 PM

Personally, I think it's still too early whether to question Obama's involvement. There certainly is a lot of smoke there - the number of IRS visits being one of them.

More what I have questions about is systematic pressure by Democrats to put try and get the IRS to put pressure on their political enemies. I have absolutely zero doubts about this taking place. That is why those emails are so damaging that they had to be destroyed. I truly believe that if they ever managed to recover those drives, the information there would be rich with Democrats pressuring Lerner into investigations - and Lerner taking action on just about each and every one of them.

cutthemdown 06-23-2014 01:58 PM

It's a huge coverup and we will never get to the bottom of it. Holder won't do anything and without him it's tough. Repubs don't have enough power in the Senate to really get nasty.

LOL they threw the hard drive away. That is funny.

Dukes 06-23-2014 02:02 PM

No even a smidgen of corruption going on here.

Taco John 06-23-2014 02:13 PM

This can't last forever. This is one of those things where the Democrat party is eventually going to have to move to protect itself as an electable entity by calling for accountability. At the very least, they're going to have to call for the same kind of investigative review as what brought Shinseki to resign.

I just found something that makes this whole situation more interesting. I was expecting that you'd see Democrats in red states being the first to publicly call for further investigation into the IRS. So I did a search of "Kay Hagan IRS" and "Mary Landrieu IRS." What I found was that they may, in fact, both be involved with the systematic pressure by Democrats to put try and get the IRS to target their political enemies (along with nearly every Democrat senator who is facing a serious challenge this November.

This scandal isn't even about Obama (though he may be involved, who can say). It's about the Democrat party trying to use the IRS as political muscle.

This is going to get ugly.

barryr 06-23-2014 02:55 PM

As I've stated many times, this is the real reason we still have the IRS. They are not competent, nor can be trusted, and complicated filing taxes so much many people have to have someone else to it for them. A government agency with no legit oversight is as corrupt as any corporation liberals believe all are.

cutthemdown 06-23-2014 03:18 PM

Obama has re-written the rules.

Pony Boy 06-23-2014 03:34 PM

I'm going to tell the IRS that I can't pay taxes this year because my computer crashed and I lost all my financial information. With no record of income and no possible way to retrieve it then I must owe nothing.

pricejj 06-23-2014 03:55 PM

Court martial and prosecute them all, no matter how long it takes.

Rohirrim 06-23-2014 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 4130959)
To understand the latest outrage in the IRS scandal, mull over what might happen if regulators found significant evidence to implicate Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein in an insider trading scheme.

Let’s say Blankfein asserted his Fifth Amendment right not to answer any questions. Say Goldman was subpoenaed to provide all of Blankfein’s emails. Goldman replied that, instead of complying with the subpoena, it was itself reviewing the emails in question and was considering which ones to release.

Now imagine that, nearly a year later, Goldman admitted that it had not, in fact, reviewed the emails in question, because they had been lost in a computer crash two months before it claimed to be reviewing them. Imagine Goldman also said copies of the emails were lost, because while under subpoena, it had destroyed the “backup tapes” (whatever those are) that held them and that it had also thrown away Blankfein’s actual hard drive.

More:
http://nypost.com/2014/06/21/why-are...atant-coverup/

I would say business as usual.

Do I win anything?

Taco John 06-24-2014 12:00 AM

This is no longer a partisain issue. This is either corruption or gross incompetence that must be investigated at least as stringently as the VA scandal was - and every day that it's not, it just makes it look like stonewalling and further corruption. That can't go on forever because there is an election as stake. The problem, however, is that every Democrat that has a senate seat fight is implicated - which complicates things politically for the democrats because if they call for investigation, they're effectively conceding the election in November. If they don't call for investigation, they look complicit.

History is not going to look very kindly on this whole ordeal.

cutthemdown 06-24-2014 12:04 AM

I'm sort of worried about what type of repubs we will get though TACO. We don't need more revenge type politics. We don't need a new President who flaunts his power at Congress even more. Hell maybe a repub President will just go it alone without Congress and use Obama as his precedent.

cutthemdown 06-24-2014 12:05 AM

Not good we need a President who fights, works with Congress but not just circumvents Congress at every turn.

Taco John 06-24-2014 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 4131236)
Not good we need a President who fights, works with Congress but not just circumvents Congress at every turn.

There is only one person running right now that has any hope of uniting the two sides of the aisle behind anything remotely productive. He was the Republican on the Sunday shows this weekend calling out wrong Republicans and winning fans of Democrats.

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN 10-24-2015 05:11 AM

It all turned out to be bullsh*t—total, utter, complete, fantastical bullsh*t.

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Rohirrim 10-24-2015 05:36 AM

The U.S. government is now incapable of fulfilling any useful function.

Time for a constitutional convention.

Guess Who 10-24-2015 02:54 PM

Are we back on the IRS now that Benghazi was a dud???

You know if the Rethuglicans look hard enough they will eventually find a scandal somewhere.

footstepsfrom#27 10-24-2015 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guess Who (Post 4482092)
Are we back on the IRS now that Benghazi was a dud???

You know if the Rethuglicans look hard enough they will eventually find a scandal somewhere.

They ARE the scandal. Lies, deceptions, attempts to steal elections and violate voting rights, working in concert with each other and in collusion with private parties as a rogue element inside the Congeess to destabilize the government by using the mechanisms of state power to subvert the established channels of elected authority...the DOJ needs to investigate the "Freedom Caucus" as if it were a para-governmental junta plotting against the national interest, because it is. We've historically used the FBI and other intelligence agencies to demonize people as commies, destroy civil rights organizations, put down popular uprisings against Wall Street bankers and corporate thieves, even spy on ordinary people for no good reason at all. It's time this movement gets the crosshairs turned on them and their puppet masters.

Will it happen? Of course not.

orinjkrush 10-24-2015 08:45 PM

The federal elected government is as criminal as under the Caesars.the prime directive is obtain favors either through personal or sexual favors or through controlling blackmail. The mass media plays in that game as well. So does the military. The CIA and the FBI are the Chief muckrakers. Lots andis Lerner was not indicted because too many necks were at risk. Same.with.Hastert. the whole.thing.is.rotten to the core.(corpse)

peacepipe 10-24-2015 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 4130959)
To understand the latest outrage in the IRS scandal, mull over what might happen if regulators found significant evidence to implicate Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein in an insider trading scheme.

Let’s say Blankfein asserted his Fifth Amendment right not to answer any questions. Say Goldman was subpoenaed to provide all of Blankfein’s emails. Goldman replied that, instead of complying with the subpoena, it was itself reviewing the emails in question and was considering which ones to release.

Now imagine that, nearly a year later, Goldman admitted that it had not, in fact, reviewed the emails in question, because they had been lost in a computer crash two months before it claimed to be reviewing them. Imagine Goldman also said copies of the emails were lost, because while under subpoena, it had destroyed the “backup tapes” (whatever those are) that held them and that it had also thrown away Blankfein’s actual hard drive.

More:
http://nypost.com/2014/06/21/why-are...atant-coverup/

There is no cover up,just another bogus scandal.

SleepingTiger 10-24-2015 11:55 PM

Left, right. Who gives a ****. Steps and Labf act as if the democrats are incapable of any wrong. That the right is 100% corrupt while the left are innocent bystanders. When will the people realize that both the left and right are only looking to fill their pockets? They don't give a damn about the poor. Give them their $200 welfare card and that will shut them up. While the people are fighting for scraps and killing each other, they play politics and position themselves for the next election.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN 10-25-2015 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleepingTiger (Post 4482449)
Left, right. Who gives a ****. Steps and Labf act as if the democrats are incapable of any wrong. That the right is 100% corrupt while the left are innocent bystanders. When will the people realize that both the left and right are only looking to fill their pockets? They don't give a damn about the poor. Give them their $200 welfare card and that will shut them up. While the people are fighting for scraps and killing each other, they play politics and position themselves for the next election.

GOP shills like you would have us believe there is some sort of parity when it comes to the amount of corruption and criminality in both parties.

There is not.

Just another way you delude yourself and rationalize your support for a crime syndicate masquerading as a political party.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN 10-25-2015 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 4482387)
There is no cover up,just another bogus scandal.

Yep.

Sad to see the OP get hoodwinked by the Teabllly con artists.

footstepsfrom#27 10-25-2015 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleepingTiger (Post 4482449)
They don't give a damn about the poor. Give them their $200 welfare card and that will shut them up. While the people are fighting for scraps and killing each other, they play politics and position themselves for the next election.

Who is "them"? It damn sure isn't the corporate fat cats and trust fund babies you adore so much. Their checks from Uncle Sugar are a tad more than $200.

Guess Who 10-25-2015 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleepingTiger (Post 4482449)
Left, right. Who gives a ****. Steps and Labf act as if the democrats are incapable of any wrong. That the right is 100% corrupt while the left are innocent bystanders. When will the people realize that both the left and right are only looking to fill their pockets? They don't give a damn about the poor. Give them their $200 welfare card and that will shut them up. While the people are fighting for scraps and killing each other, they play politics and position themselves for the next election.

Maybe they realize that most scandals are involving Republicans and yet nothing is ever made about that.


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