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Hercules Rockefeller 01-20-2014 08:28 PM

Was the McDaniels "Era" worth it?
 
The Broncos had become a middle of the pack franchise and McD took them to rock bottom.

Regardless of what happens in 2 weeks, did the McD debacle have to happen for everything that came after it?

Where would they be if Bowlen had kept Shanahan for even just one more season?

Poll forthcoming.

kappys 01-20-2014 08:31 PM

If it took the Mcdaniels era to help Pat Bowlen's booze addled brain recognize that he needed to get real leadership for the Broncos and bring in JE then absolutely. We were never getting back to the superbowl with Shanny and the terrible defenses and coordinators that he was bringing in.

Agamemnon 01-20-2014 08:32 PM

I don't get how anyone could vote no in this poll. Without McDaniels we are almost certainly still wallowing in mediocrity with Cutler at the helm, and Elway might have never taken over the team.

Broncobiv 01-20-2014 08:33 PM

I was thinking this exact thing as they kept showing McDip**** on the Pats sideline during the game yesterday. If not for him, we would never have been here. Weird how things work out...

Br0nc0Buster 01-20-2014 08:33 PM

If we win in NY then yes
Ill take the lowest of lows if can lead to the highest of highs

Broncobiv 01-20-2014 08:34 PM

It is especially worth it considering the light-speed turnaround we have experienced. From the McD era to Super Bowl in 3 short years!

God bless you, John Elway.

Drunken.Broncoholic2 01-20-2014 08:36 PM

Thanks to McDamnit's ineptness at GM/HC we got Manning.

BroncsCheer 01-20-2014 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller (Post 4035601)
The Broncos had become a middle of the pack franchise and McD took them to rock bottom.

Regardless of what happens in 2 weeks, did the McD debacle have to happen for everything that came after it?

Where would they be if Bowlen had kept Shanahan for even just one more season?

Poll forthcoming.

There's a douchebag poster on patsfans.com with the same username as you, backing the hawks in th big game in 2 weeks.

Tell me it's a coincidence

BMarsh615 01-20-2014 08:37 PM

It was definitely worth it. A lot of our core players were drafted by McDaniels. He also brought us Mike McCoy (helped us get to the playoffs with Tebow which couldn't have hurt the Manning chase), Adam Gase, Studdesville and front office guys like Keith Kidd and Matt Russel....

Also, going through those down years make the good years like this one feel so much better.

SoCalBronco 01-20-2014 08:37 PM

No. That was an awful time and the single worst person in the history of the franchise. I don't view it as the "key" to unlocking Elway/Manning or anything like that. These are independent things. Someone else could have come in and failed less spectacularly and we could have still ended up in the same spot. Key word being could...we don't know. There isn't a per se connection.

bombay 01-20-2014 08:38 PM

If it forced John Elway's hand, maybe. That useless little piece of **** wanted us to be patsies West. We are the Denver Broncos, and we are second to none. Screw the patsies west. We Are Broncos.

Drunken.Broncoholic2 01-20-2014 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncsCheer (Post 4035614)
There's a douchebag poster on patsfans.com with the same username as you, backing the hawks in th big game in 2 weeks.

Tell me it's a coincidence

That name is notorious in the Simpsons fanbase.

As is Handsome B. Wonderful.

Agamemnon 01-20-2014 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco (Post 4035617)
No.

I forgot about the people who still think Shanahan and Cutler would've won a Super Bowl for us. Yeah that probably accounts for all the no's you will see in this poll. Crazy nutters.

Jekyll15Hyde 01-20-2014 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 4035608)
I don't get how anyone could vote no in this poll. Without McDaniels we are almost certainly still wallowing in mediocrity with Cutler at the helm, and Elway might have never taken over the team.

I did but I want to change it! Having the GOAT for a few of his best years, then it was worth it, win or lose next week

Archer81 01-20-2014 08:45 PM

To have a coaching situation completely collapse on itself was new for me as a Broncos fan. I was born in 1981. In my life Denver has had 5 coaches. Two of them coached for 26 out of 32 years I've walked the earth. It is strange to not have a successful team to root for.

The last three seasons has been a complete trip. 3 playoff wins. 3 division crowns. Top seed in the conference for two straight seasons and now a 7th superbowl appearance. I honestly am floored by the turn around in a relatively short time. All because of some dude named Elway, hiring some guy named Fox and both of them deciding that Manning guy would fit here.

Amazing. So I suppose it is a yes. The McDaniels "era" was worth it.

:Broncos:

Armchair Bronco 01-20-2014 08:50 PM

I suppose one could make the argument that the total and complete destruction of both Germany and Japan allowed these countries to be rebuilt as the economic powerhouses that they are today.

However, this history of Germany and Japan prior to 1945-1946 left countless millions of casualties in its wake. Nothing can justify that kind of carnage.

Shannyham needed to go, no question about that. But he needed to go after the Brian Griese experiment failed, not nearly a decade later. Replacing one failed dictator with another failed dictator ALWAYS spells disaster.

DarkHorse30 01-20-2014 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco (Post 4035617)
No. That was an awful time and the single worst person in the history of the franchise. I don't view it as the "key" to unlocking Elway/Manning or anything like that. These are independent things. Someone else could have come in and failed less spectacularly and we could have still ended up in the same spot. Key word being could...we don't know. There isn't a per se connection.

Agreed. McDaniels is/was an idiot. His douchebaggery w/ Cutler and Marshall wins first prize in the stoopid bowl......followed closely by Dumerville phone wrecks

Kaylore 01-20-2014 08:55 PM

Is the argument for the yes that had those events not happened we would not have been able to get Peyton Manning? I suppose I would rather have Manning than Cutler. And I prefer this coaching staff to whatever unqualified and untalented personal friends Shanahan would have rolled out every year at the various coordinator positions. I personally feel once Shanny was gone, Cutler decided he was going to leave regardless. He wanted to play elsewhere and lied to get his way.

But assuming he leaves regardless, that doesn't excuse the wasted draft picks and the horrid trades for crap players. Those are things that really hurt the franchise.

I am grateful for the Tebow season, I guess. The Steelers wild card win is one of the most exciting playoff games I can remember watching. But at the end of the day it was all a mirage.

I still think McDaniels did poorly in a lot of ways and hurt this franchise. Am I grateful that Elway and Fox were able to work with what was here and keep building on that? Yes. Do I appreciate that some of the problem McDaniels caused directly led to Manning being able to come here? Yes. But that doesn't mean we couldn't have had similar circumstances and not had to go through the McDaniels hell. So I'll say no.

Archer81 01-20-2014 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco (Post 4035632)
I suppose one could make the argument that the total and complete destruction of both Germany and Japan allowed these countries to be rebuilt as the economic powerhouses that they are today.

However, this history of Germany and Japan prior to 1945-1946 left countless millions of casualties in its wake. Nothing can justify that kind of carnage.

Shannyham needed to go, no question about that. But he needed to go after the Brian Griese experiment failed, not nearly a decade later. Replacing one failed dictator with another failed dictator ALWAYS spells disaster.


You cannot compare occupied Germany and Japan to the 2009-10 Denver Broncos. One is a football team, the other was the defeat of two of the most evil war machines mankind has ever devised. And Shanahan and McDaniels are not and can never be compared to Hitler and Tojo.

:Broncos:

Vegas_Bronco 01-20-2014 08:56 PM

HEll no...remember Kyle Orton. How can you ever ask if that was worth it?

BroncsCheer 01-20-2014 08:57 PM

No

Broncobiv 01-20-2014 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco (Post 4035617)
No. That was an awful time and the single worst person in the history of the franchise. I don't view it as the "key" to unlocking Elway/Manning or anything like that. These are independent things. Someone else could have come in and failed less spectacularly and we could have still ended up in the same spot. Key word being could...we don't know. There isn't a per se connection.

Well the McD "path" led us to our current situation for sure, 100%, positive. Therefore, due to the McD ---> Elway/Manning connection being a 100% correlation, I still vote that yes, it was worth it. As you said, we don't know if another crappy coach would've led us to our current situation. McDip**** did, and we know that. Give me the guarantee...as painful as it seems, thanks McDouchebag!

Broncobiv 01-20-2014 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas_Bronco (Post 4035640)
HEll no...remember Kyle Orton. How can you ever ask if that was worth it?

Even Orton delivered some memorable moments!

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-34362...s-gif-ITjz.gif

g00fyfoot 01-20-2014 09:00 PM

If he was a blessing in disguise it was purely unintentional, obviously. But his complete and total failure inadvertently cleared the decks for the next wave, and helped the organization to stop clinging to the mediocrity that had consumed the team in the late Shanahan era.

broncocalijohn 01-20-2014 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 4035625)
I forgot about the people who still think Shanahan and Cutler would've won a Super Bowl for us. Yeah that probably accounts for all the no's you will see in this poll. Crazy nutters.

The word is delusional. SoCal is one of them. I would hope others see what has now become a possible World Championship to Denver.

I didn't hate on McDaniels right from the start so I only had maybe 12 months of being sick of him and what he did to our franchise. 12 months and now the verge of a Super Bowl? Sure it is now worth it and amazing what we still are digging out of is a sliver since we have proven we have what it takes to get to the promise land. The pieces he did at least give us has proven to help the team. Who knows if his first draft could have produced better players with a different coach but why speculate now. McDaniels failed but do we really want to take a chance on hiring a better coach (or keeping status quo) and think we would be in a better position today? We got what we wanted...well almost.


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