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Agamemnon 01-19-2014 11:08 PM

Seattle's Pass Defense
 
So are these guys really as good as people say? Just look at the list of QBs they have faced so far this year:

Cam Newton
Colin Kaepernick
Chad Henne
Matt Schaub
Andrew Luck
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Carson Palmer
Kellen Clemens
Mike Glennon
Matt Ryan
Christian Ponder
Drew Brees
Colin Kaepernick
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
Kellen Clemens
Drew Brees
Colin Kaepernick

Kind of puts their #1 ranked pass defense in a different light doesn't it? The only truly elite QB I see on there is Drew Brees and they got to face him twice at home where they are much better while he and the Saints are much worse on the road (Andrew Luck has elite talent, but he isn't actually elite yet). Not to discount that they are indeed good, but seriously does that list not make you think they might have a rather inflated sense of how good they really are? Does that list indicate that they are ready to take on Peyton ****ing Manning? I think they are in for a rude awakening to be honest.

BroncoFanDoug 01-19-2014 11:16 PM

Don't kid yourself. Seattle probably has the best D in the league. It is gonna be a tough game. Having said that we have an historically good offense and I take our D they way they have been playing against a so-so offense.

I like our chances.

Agamemnon 01-19-2014 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoFanDoug (Post 4034329)
Don't kid yourself. Seattle probably has the best D in the league. It is gonna be a tough game. Having said that we have an historically good offense and I take our D they way they have been playing against a so-so offense.

I like our chances.

I'm not kidding myself, and I already said their pass defense is good, but come on, look at that list and tell me their stats aren't a bit skewed by the fact that 80% of their games were against QBs who frankly kind of suck as passers. I mean Drew Brees threw for over 300 against them in driving rain in their stadium, and it was obvious to everyone watching he was greatly diminished by the weather.

itswutz4dinna 01-19-2014 11:24 PM

In the playoffs the Broncos defense has gone up against the #2 and #6 offenses by pts/drive and given up 17 and 16.

Seattle has faced #3 and #12, giving up 15 and 17. The two teams' defenses are not playing that differently right now.

I'd actually take our run D and corners over Seattle's. They definitely have the better safeties and probably a better pass rush. A pass rush can be neutralized by Manning, though, and their aggressive man coverage could be exploited by our "rub" routes. So the refs letting them play could help Denver's receivers just as much.

Agamemnon 01-19-2014 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by itswutz4dinna (Post 4034334)
In the playoffs the Broncos defense has gone up against the #2 and #6 offenses by pts/drive and given up 17 and 16.

Seattle has faced #3 and #12, giving up 15 and 17. The two teams' defenses are not playing that differently right now.

I'd actually take our run D and corners over Seattle's. They definitely have the better safeties and probably a better pass rush. A pass rush can be neutralized by Manning, though, and their aggressive man coverage could be exploited by our "rub" routes. So the refs letting them play could help Denver's receivers just as much.

It's not just Manning that is likely to neutralize their pass rush. Our o-line is absolutely dominant in pass protection right now.

itswutz4dinna 01-19-2014 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 4034333)
I'm not kidding myself, and I already said their pass defense is good, but come on, look at that list and tell me their stats aren't a bit skewed by the fact that 80% of their games were against QBs who frankly kind of suck as passers. I mean Drew Brees threw for over 300 against them in driving rain in their stadium, and it was obvious to everyone watching he was greatly diminished by the weather.

Luck put up points on them as well. Their defense is great but nowhere near historic. Denver's offense is as historic as it gets. Pittsburgh's defense in 2011 was about as good as this Seattle D and Tebow scorched them (although Lebeau kind of blew that one).

Doggcow 01-19-2014 11:27 PM

I was just thinking that.

Also, Sherman hasn't covered a legit receiver all year.

itswutz4dinna 01-19-2014 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 4034337)
It's not just Manning that is likely to neutralize their pass rush. Our o-line is absolutely dominant in pass protection right now.

Seriously. One hurry today, and I believe just one hold (on a pass play) that was actually a bad call.

Jetmeck 01-19-2014 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Doggcow (Post 4034339)
I was just thinking that.

Also, Sherman hasn't covered a legit receiver all year.


Got to agree, this whole Seattle dominant defense smells very similar to what the Chief fans and the media were shoveling the first nine games.....................

Dominant against who ?

Agamemnon 01-19-2014 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Doggcow (Post 4034339)
I was just thinking that.

Also, Sherman hasn't covered a legit receiver all year.

I don't really think that's true. If you actually mean elite receiver you are mostly right, though Larry Fitzgerald comes to mind as an exception. Then again Fitzgerald kind of seems to be on the decline.

Doggcow 01-19-2014 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 4034345)
I don't really think that's true. If you actually mean elite receiver you are mostly right, though Larry Fitzgerald comes to mind as an exception. Then again Fitzgerald kind of seems to be on the decline.

Larry is still good but doesn't have a functional offense around him.

They didn't even have to play vs Wayne.

itswutz4dinna 01-19-2014 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetmeck (Post 4034343)
Got to agree, this whole Seattle dominant defense smells very similar to what the Chief fans and the media were shoveling the first nine games.....................

Dominant against who ?

Well, their defense is probably still the best in the league but they aren't the best since the '02 Bucs or anything like that. And playing SF, St. Louis, and Arizona 6 times didn't hurt their numbers either.

The Broncos in the regular season were the most dominant overall team since the '07 Patriots. Let's hope it doesn't end the same way, and I doubt it will.

BroncoFanDoug 01-19-2014 11:40 PM

Don't get me wrong. We are the better team. But on your list the following are pretty decent QBs:

Cam Newton
Colin Kaepernick X 2
Andrew Luck
Drew Brees X 2
Eli Manning

That is 7 games against at least decent QBs. I am not sure our QB list is any harder tbh.

Guess Who 01-19-2014 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 4034322)
So are these guys really as good as people say? Just look at the list of QBs they have faced so far this year:

Cam Newton
Colin Kaepernick
Chad Henne
Matt Schaub
Andrew Luck
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Carson Palmer
Kellen Clemens
Mike Glennon
Matt Ryan
Christian Ponder
Drew Brees
Colin Kaepernick
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
Kellen Clemens
Drew Brees
Colin Kaepernick

Kind of puts their #1 ranked pass defense in a different light doesn't it? The only truly elite QB I see on there is Drew Brees and they got to face him twice at home where they are much better while he and the Saints are much worse on the road (Andrew Luck has elite talent, but he isn't actually elite yet). Not to discount that they are indeed good, but seriously does that list not make you think they might have a rather inflated sense of how good they really are? Does that list indicate that they are ready to take on Peyton ****ing Manning? I think they are in for a rude awakening to be honest.

Great post, if it is not windy, Manning is going to eat them up!!!

bpc 01-19-2014 11:42 PM

Thank you for bringing this up. They are definitely a solid group, but look at their division... Kaep who is an awful throwing QB... Carson Palmer who is past his prime and a turnover machine (Sherman had two of his INT's vs. him in week 15, Hawks still lost...), and Kellen Clemens played Seattle twice this year.

Seattle hasn't really been tested by a good offense except vs. Indy (Loss), Houston (won in OT after Schaub threw a pass right to Sherman during his 4 straight games of throwing a pick 6), and New Orleans. They beat up on NO pretty good but both games were at Seattle in tough conditions and bad weather favoring the defense. Andre Johnson and Marquis Colston both logged very nice days vs. the Seahawks secondary.

Everybody keeps bringing up their pass rush too. Yes, they can rush the passer but are they phenomenal at it? No. They've average 2 sacks a game the past four games.

Seattle seems like KC, only with better DB's and a worse offense. Eliminate their home field advantage and they seem very vulnerable.

Agamemnon 01-19-2014 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoFanDoug (Post 4034350)
Don't get me wrong. We are the better team. But on your list the following are pretty decent QBs:

Cam Newton
Colin Kaepernick X 2
Andrew Luck
Drew Brees X 2
Eli Manning

That is 7 games against at least decent QBs. I am not sure our QB list is any harder tbh.

Cam Newton and Kaepernick are not good passers, sorry. They are mediocre by NFL standards when it comes to throwing the football. Eli Manning was dog**** this year, so we can throw that out. Andrew Luck is good but not eilte yet. So like I said Drew Brees is the only elite passer they have faced and they faced him in ideal conditions both times (and he still threw for quite a few yards in the playoff game).

BroncoMan4ever 01-19-2014 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoFanDoug (Post 4034329)
Don't kid yourself. Seattle probably has the best D in the league. It is gonna be a tough game. Having said that we have an historically good offense and I take our D they way they have been playing against a so-so offense.

I like our chances.

The game will come down to the 2,3,4 and 5 receiving targets versus their 2,3,4, and 5 guys in the secondary. Sherman and DT are going to battle all game long and because of that it will be which team's other guys step up.

the great thing with our offense is that it can only be contained for awhile, eventually the offense will explode and put points on the board. also, the depth of our skill position is incredible. no team, not even the mighty Seachickens have enough guys in the secondary to stop all of Peyton's targets, and while they are worried about the pass, Knowshon and Montee are running hard.

Finger Roll 01-19-2014 11:49 PM

Plus the broncos have far better receivers than any team Seattle has played.

BroncoMan4ever 01-19-2014 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoFanDoug (Post 4034350)
Don't get me wrong. We are the better team. But on your list the following are pretty decent QBs:

Cam Newton
Colin Kaepernick X 2
Andrew Luck
Drew Brees X 2
Eli Manning

That is 7 games against at least decent QBs. I am not sure our QB list is any harder tbh.

Kaepernick is wildly overrated. Dude, is a 50% passer. Sure his legs are a great weapon, but to be elite you have to complete passes at a higher rate. Eli had a really down year. While he is considered a good upper tier QB his season was really bad. Of the guys listed, Newton, Luck and Brees are the only ones that are good, and Brees played them on the road where the Saints are always a completely different team away from home.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN 01-19-2014 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 4034322)
Not to discount that they are indeed good, but seriously does that list not make you think they might have a rather inflated sense of how good they really are?

Does that list indicate that they are ready to take on Peyton ****ing Manning?

Yes, and HELL NO!

Agamemnon 01-19-2014 11:53 PM

I think the main thing I take away from this is that their defense does not match our offense if our offense plays well and we have a good gameplan. Yes they are a very good defense, but they clearly are not on par with our offense. Period. I think we will have a good amount of success against them on offense to be honest, and I think our defense is going to give them fits. The more I think about it the more I like the matchup.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN 01-19-2014 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetmeck (Post 4034343)
Got to agree, this whole Seattle dominant defense smells very similar to what the Chief fans and the media were shoveling the first nine games.....................

Dominant against who ?

Bingo.

BroncoFanDoug 01-19-2014 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 4034354)
Cam Newton and Kaepernick are not good passers, sorry. They are mediocre by NFL standards when it comes to throwing the football. Eli Manning was dog**** this year, so we can throw that out. Andrew Luck is good but not eilte yet. So like I said Drew Brees is the only elite passer they have faced and they faced him in ideal conditions both times (and he still threw for quite a few yards in the playoff game).

First of all, WE ARE GOING TO THE SB!!!! Let's not get into any thing nasty tonight. Let's enjoy!

And so where is the list of elite QBs, or to be more fair, elite teams we have faced?

Again don't get me wrong I think we win this game. And there is no way they have faced a QB as good as Peyton because he is the best. And I think that Seattle is a pretty darn good team and it will be a tough game. All I am saying.

itswutz4dinna 01-19-2014 11:59 PM

Another advantage the Broncos might have is that Carroll and the Seahawks already won their Super Bowl against us in the preseason. I think the Broncos will happily trade that win for this one.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN 01-20-2014 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Finger Roll (Post 4034363)
Plus the broncos have far better receivers than any team Seattle has played.

Better receivers, a larger array of offensive weapons, and WAY better O line protection.

Couple this with the likelihood that our defense should dominate their mediocre offense, and we should roll over them like a freight train.


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