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R8R H8R 01-15-2014 12:35 AM

Broncos have #1 ranked defense in playoffs.
 
Yes, it's true. The Broncos are first in yardage at 259 yards given up per game and #2 in points (17) of all 12 playoff teams during these playoff games. Yes, it's a small sample size, but certainly not insignificant as all data is from playoff games. All data given is per game.

Also, the Broncos are #1 against the run (65 yds), the Pats are #2(69 yds), and while we are ranked #4 against the pass of all 12 teams, we are #1 against the pass of the 4 remaining teams! To put it in perspective, Seattle is #10 (but#1 in points) of all playoff teams against the pass, and the Pats are #11 and dead last of the remaining 4.

And it's not like the Broncos went against some deadbeat offense either. The Chargers were highly ranked during the regular season, and Rivers was the 4th best passing QB in the playoffs, IMO. I just think the game plan defensively was superb and guys stepped up, for 3 quarters anyway.

Anyway, like I said, it's a small sample size, but very encouraging, to me at least, that our defense is playing at a playoff level. I am getting more and more confidence that we can compete at a high level defensively this Sunday and beyond.

For the record, we are ranked 6th offensively in yards per game out of 12, but 2nd behind the Pats, of the final 4! SF is 7th & Seattle is 11th and dead last of the 4. We lead the final 4 in passing yardage, but trail all 4 in rushing yards with 133, which is much higher than our regular season average, IIRC.

Here's the link:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...1&d-447263-n=1

Armchair Bronco 01-15-2014 01:21 AM

I realize you didn't come up with this statistic, but who cares how things stack up on the basis of a single game? This statistic is like a bikini: what it reveals is interesting but what it covers up is essential.

The fact is: Net-net, Denver has at best an above average Defense, taking into account ALL games played this season.

Combining statistics w/ common sense, I'd say that Denver's D ranks #3 among the 4 teams still in the playoffs.

#1. Seattle
#2. San Francisco
#3. Denver
#4. New England

Doggcow 01-15-2014 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco (Post 4027753)
I realize you didn't come up with this statistic, but who cares how things stack up on the basis of a single game? This statistic is like a bikini: what it reveals is interesting but what it covers up is essential.

The fact is: Net-net, Denver has at best an above average Defense, taking into account ALL games played this season.

Combining statistics w/ common sense, I'd say that Denver's D ranks #3 among the 4 teams still in the playoffs.

#1. Seattle
#2. San Francisco
#3. Denver
#4. New England

I'm surprised you would think Seattle has the best Defense.

Armchair Bronco 01-15-2014 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Doggcow (Post 4027755)
I'm surprised you would think Seattle has the best Defense.

Well, unlike Obama who thinks that an increase in Federal employment means that unemployment is falling, I'm actually capable of looking at simple statistics and reaching common sense conclusions:

Regular Season Stats

Fewest Points Allowed Per Game - Seattle - #1
Fewest Passing Yards Allowed Per Game - Seattle - #1
Fewest Rushing Yards Allowed Per Game - Seattle - #13
Fewest Receiving TD's Allowed - Seattle - #3
Fewest Rushing TD's Allowed - Seattle - #1 (tied w/ Carolina)
Total Interceptions - Seattle - #1
Forced Fumbles - Seattle - #4
Overall Ranking - Seattle - #1

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/by..._group=Defense

Taco John 01-15-2014 01:54 AM

Dude, Seattle has a great defense. Nobody knows about it because of the over hype of Russell Wilson. I think Wilson is great, but that defense and that running game is what is really sexy about that team. And yes, Russell Wilson is fun to watch. He's like Jake Plummer only good.

Blart 01-15-2014 02:08 AM

I'm surprised, but like everyone else I'm still upset that our real defense is on IR.


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Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco (Post 4027756)
Well, unlike Obama who thinks that an increase in Federal employment means that unemployment is falling

Wherever you get your info, consider a new source. Federal employment is at an all-time low.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...nt-blog480.png

Today the US government employs just 2% of people with jobs. In 1966 under LBJ, it was more than double: 4.3%.

peacepipe 01-15-2014 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco (Post 4027756)
Well, unlike Obama who thinks that an increase in Federal employment means that unemployment is falling, I'm actually capable of looking at simple statistics and reaching common sense conclusions:

Regular Season Stats

Fewest Points Allowed Per Game - Seattle - #1
Fewest Passing Yards Allowed Per Game - Seattle - #1
Fewest Rushing Yards Allowed Per Game - Seattle - #13
Fewest Receiving TD's Allowed - Seattle - #3
Fewest Rushing TD's Allowed - Seattle - #1 (tied w/ Carolina)
Total Interceptions - Seattle - #1
Forced Fumbles - Seattle - #4
Overall Ranking - Seattle - #1

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/by..._group=Defense

Last I checked a job is a job. Fed or private it counts the same.

Armchair Bronco 01-15-2014 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 4027758)
Dude, Seattle has a great defense. Nobody knows about it because of the over hype of Russell Wilson. I think Wilson is great, but that defense and that running game is what is really sexy about that team. And yes, Russell Wilson is fun to watch. He's like Jake Plummer only good.

*If* Wilson is over-hyped, it's not his fault. Even Wilson knows that Marshawn Lynch is the heart of the team and the defense is the soul.

For some reason, the coaches have put the training wheels back on Wilson the last few games. Maybe the thinking goes like this: "A world-class defense can win us the Super Bowl, so we don't need Wilson to be extra-ordinary and either risk an injury or an ill-timed turnover." Actually, this method worked wonders for the Baltimore Ravens back when Trent Dilfer was taking snaps.

Seattle's conservative approach is working, but the ratio of exciting plays by Wilson has declined accordingly. I just hate it when a gifted athlete is unnaturally chained to the pocket.

Doggcow 01-15-2014 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 4027762)
Last I checked a job is a job. Fed or private it counts the same.

Unlike in the NFL, where CB's on the Seahawks are spared sanctions that other teams have to abide by.

R8R H8R 01-15-2014 02:26 AM

The purpose of the thread isn't to try to make the Broncos out to be the 2000 Ravens, or the Seahawks the 2008 Broncos, because they aren't. And I acknowledge that we only played one game while some played two.

But to say these stats mean nothing is disingenuous in the least, and in denial in the most. Every team in the playoffs is good and all the tape is out on them. There are no scheme advantages anymore; you are what you are, and the numbers suggest that the Broncos are playing the best defense they have played all year. Just when you need it.

I just thought with all the handwringing going on with the defense, especially after the loss of Harris, this board would be glad to know how well this defense played when compared to the other playoff games.

Armchair Bronco 01-15-2014 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8R H8R (Post 4027766)
The purpose of the thread isn't to try to make the Broncos out to be the 2000 Ravens, or the Seahawks the 2008 Broncos, because they aren't. And I acknowledge that we only played one game while some played two.

I wasn't finger pointing. The news is good, but IMO a better analysis would be based on the last 4 or 5 games, including the playoffs.

Using stats from a single game doesn't really do much to illuminate the shadows.

Anyway, this season it was never really about the defense, anyway. Look at the Dallas game. PFM and the Broncos basically said: We're gonna have a track meet. Let's see if you can keep pace with us. What emerged was one of the highest scoring games in modern NFL history.

Denver doesn't need a great defense if the offense continues to put up 30 or 40 points per game. And Seattle may not need a great offense if their D can hold opponents to 13 or 14 points per game.

R8R H8R 01-15-2014 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco (Post 4027763)
*If* Wilson is over-hyped, it's not his fault. Even Wilson knows that Marshawn Lynch is the heart of the team and the defense is the soul.

For some reason, the coaches have put the training wheels back on Wilson the last few games. Maybe the thinking goes like this: "A world-class defense can win us the Super Bowl, so we don't need Wilson to be extra-ordinary and either risk an injury or an ill-timed turnover." Actually, this method worked wonders for the Baltimore Ravens back when Trent Dilfer was taking snaps.

Seattle's conservative approach is working, but the ratio of exciting plays by Wilson has declined accordingly. I just hate it when a gifted athlete is unnaturally chained to the pocket.

Carroll needs to grow a pair.

whoeey 01-15-2014 02:39 AM

worst economy ever. look at how many entirely dropped out of workforce. 16 can't come soon enuff

Armchair Bronco 01-15-2014 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by R8R H8R (Post 4027769)
Carroll needs to grow a pair.

Fox needs to grow a pair. Carroll is more like Lance Armstrong: he still has one functioning nut.

R8R H8R 01-15-2014 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco (Post 4027768)
I wasn't finger pointing. The news is good, but IMO a better analysis would be based on the last 4 or 5 games, including the playoffs.

Using stats from a single game doesn't really do much to illuminate the shadows.

Anyway, this season it was never really about the defense, anyway. Look at the Dallas game. PFM and the Broncos basically said: We're gonna have a track meet. Let's see if you can keep pace with us. What emerged was one of the highest scoring games in modern NFL history.

Denver doesn't need a great defense if the offense continues to put up 30 or 40 points per game. And Seattle may not need a great offense if their D can hold opponents to 13 or 14 points per game.

The problem with analysis of the last few games is the level of competition of those games. The Chargers were the only real good team. So how would we have known if those stats meant anything?

Even though I believed they were getting better, it isn't until the playoffs that you know for sure, because as we know, everyone is good and playing at a different intensity.

Anyway, and hopefully, the Broncos can continue this trend like they had to when the offense doesn't score 30 points like they did last Sunday.

R8R H8R 01-15-2014 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco (Post 4027772)
Fox needs to grow a pair. Carroll is more like Lance Armstrong: he still has one functioning nut.

I've seen almost nothing conservative about this year's team. If you think otherwise, I have no idea what you have been watching.

Blueflame 01-15-2014 03:11 AM

If you're looking for a political discussion, we have a place for that. It isn't the football forum. Please stop hijacking football discussions to politics. TIA.

/mod mode

Armchair Bronco 01-15-2014 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8R H8R (Post 4027776)
I've seen almost nothing conservative about this year's team. If you think otherwise, I have no idea what you have been watching.

I *think* it was in reference to a thread I started early in the season about Fox needing to grow a pair. That was before his heart attack / surgery.

My contention was that Fox's conservative mentality cost us the win against Baltimore last year.

I do think that compared to 2012, Fox & Company have been more aggressive, in some respects much more aggressive. Any time Fox goes for it on 4th and whatever it's a cause for celebration. But his instinct is still to go full turtle if the Broncos are protecting a small lead while the other team is trying to claw its way back into the game.

Pete Carroll did pretty much the same thing last season against Atlanta in the playoffs. Instead of playing to win, he tried to hold on to a tenuous lead...which was squandered in the waning moments of the game.

driver 01-15-2014 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blart (Post 4027760)
Today the US government employs just 2% of people with jobs. In 1966 under LBJ, it was more than double: 4.3%.

It was called the draft !

Armchair Bronco 01-15-2014 03:20 AM

Guys, my political comment was made "en passant" and was not intended to start a political debate.

Cease and desist, or any future opportunities for passing political references and analogies (which do have their place AFAIK) will be lost for good.

DENVERDUI55 01-15-2014 07:17 AM

The reason for Seattle looking pedestrian on offense is Russell hasn't been very good lately. If you keep him in the pocket he is a below average passer. The Jake Plummer comparison is a good one. Seattle is ranked 31 in offense the last third of the season.

CEH 01-15-2014 07:44 AM

I'll take SF defense right now.

Just seems to me when those LBers hit you you go backwards.

Add in country strong Justin Smith and Aldon Smith I like what SF brings this weekend

It's a rich man's problem anyways deciding who's has a better defense SEA or SF

TheReverend 01-15-2014 07:54 AM

It's a solid defense that has had too much stress put on it for the following reasons:

1. Offensive scoring
2. Fast offensive pace
3. Injuries
4. Offensive turnovers
5. Key smaller players whose bodies can't really hold up all season (Wesley/Duke)

Karenin 01-15-2014 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 4027758)
Dude, Seattle has a great defense. Nobody knows about it because of the over hype of Russell Wilson. I think Wilson is great, but that defense and that running game is what is really sexy about that team. And yes, Russell Wilson is fun to watch. He's like Jake Plummer only good.

Better than Brian Griese?

v2micca 01-15-2014 08:01 AM

This may simply be my limited perspective, but I feel our defense, particularly our pass defense plays too aggressively and as a result they can be burned for the big play. Our D line is more than capable of shutting down a run game, provided they aren't being run ragged by our secondary giving up big play after big play on third and long. I get really frustrated with our secondary as it feels like too often, they are going for the big play, instead of the smart play. As long as our offense is clicking, we don't need turn-overs. We just need the defense to get off the field on 3rd and long.


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